My deepest condolences. I am very sorry for your loss.
independent_tre
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RIP Dansk (aka Ian), 18.12.1953- 20.12.2008
by faundy inhave posted this on the other thread but just making this one as well:
i need to let you know that dad passed away this morning at 8am.
he fought so hard but in the end they could not get his blood pressure to rise and he died of heart failure.
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What Gilead Taught ME
by AllTimeJeff inthey mean the leadership.
all of this is code for: one who is not ready to really study and accept how the leadership of jehovah's witnesses use the bible to their own self serving means.
but to be fair, jw's teach that most all of these characters refer to the leadership of jehovah's witnesses, the governing body.
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independent_tre
Everytime I think I know all there is to know about this sham of a cult, I read things like this:
The one I refer to the most is as an answer to one of the questions on a Gilead test, Elijah prophetically pointed to Judge Rutherford, Elisha pointed to N H Knorr. That is my favorite, that is when I realized I was mislead. But to be fair, JW's teach that most all of these characters refer to the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Governing Body. (GB)
and this:
As the video brought out, each student gets a loaded 3 ring binder with the schedules, tests, and homework. Toward the end of the class, there is a "shredding" party that would make Nixon proud. Everyone has to turn in their binders, it is loaded into carts and taken into the Patterson basement, next to a garage, where we gleefully shred every bit of the schedule, and all of the tests. YHWH knows they don't want that crap getting out.
Wow. Just wow. I could fill several books with the volumes of information that I did not know PRIOR to joining this group or as part of the rank and file. Yes, they truly must save these nuttier teachings for those who have 'excelled in maturity' = become living drones. I never understood the concept of the WTS heirarchy giving only certain ones access to 'special knowledge' - ie, pioneer school, MTS, Gilead training. I mean if its ALL truth and scripturally based, why not teach it during the book study or better yet, the public talks. What parts of the bible are for some special ones, but not for others? Where is the precept in the Bible for this type of structuring of information or who gets special access to this special knowledge?
I can't imagine how some R & F would react to knowing these things, on the other hand I can imagine how some other witness would, probably say something like... " Oh joyous day, look how the SLAVE has provided this wonderful spiritual food for us!"
ATJ...Thank you so much for sharing this information and this is also going into my favorites. I will need these kinds of facts since I'm seriously contemplating disassociating myself from this group. This fade is not working and I cannot continue to look people in the eye having them think I believe all of the crap the WTS teaches or questioning why I no longer attend meetings. Your Africa experience is really enlightening also; I wholeheartedly agree that the only ones that buy into this group as adults ( not born ins) are ones that lack access to this kind of information.
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Horrible conduct by congregation Elders at my cousin's funeral.............
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmy cousin passed away last week from cancer at the age of 49. the cancer spread so fast it took our family by surpise.
we figured she had a couple of years instead of months.
she left 4 children(3 were baptised and 1 was disfellowshipped a couple of years ago).
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independent_tre
Coincidence stated:
good lord ... how the hell did we join this shit of a religion :(
Exactly what I was thinking. Before being baptized, I had a strong revulsion to the shunning policy, but got dunked anyway thinking that eventually I would see the benefit of this crazy behavior.... SAD
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Did this web-site help you leave the organization?
by ecuador injust curious, what percentage of people here actually left the jw org because of this site or similar sites?
do these sites really help people to get out?
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independent_tre
yes, I was still in but had doubts when I came across this site this past March. Let me say that I no longer doubt, but I KNOW its not 'the truth'.
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independent_tre
OMG.. is this even a question?
Oreos! Hands down! The only reason Hydrox even exists is for those trying to save a few coins on their cookie purchases.
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NEW VIDEO: Question JWs - APOSTATES
by V inpart 3 of our series "question jehovah's witnesses," questioning jws ability to question.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnqq2taqgio.
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independent_tre
Great work V! Thanks so much for your efforts!
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How Life Can Change
by Sunspot ini don't come by here very often any more (trying to wean myself away from this board in anticipation of when we cannot ever post any more.
in the last couple of years, and leaving this mess in jesus' hands, things have not only begun to emerge as "fixable", but have most definetely been fixed at long last.
i was invited to the youngest grandchild's (of this son) sweet 16 birthday party last summer and i teared up when i realized that this was the first birthday party of all three of these grandchildren that i had attended.. we have been invited to thanksgiving dinner ( for the fourth year) with our whole family and that of my dil's family (she is one of seven) and to spend a few days at christmas at another son's home.
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independent_tre
Wouldn't it be great if this post can be forwarded around like those JW emails? This post warmed my heart. THANK you so much for posted your success and newfound peace and family happiness. Despite their claims, the holidays are lonely time for so many witnesses. It's good to hear from someone who has been able to mend family relationships. This is great inspiration for all those who had been trapped and isolated by the WTS.
Take care and Happy Holidays!
Edited to add: One of the most fear inspired lies the WTS instills in its followers, is if they leave the Watchtower organization, then they leave God. I believe this is one of the most powerful absurdities that manages to keep JWs in, afraid to question what they are taught, even though there are so many holes in their ever-changing doctrines. Your post is a testament to the real power of God and Jesus in the lives of believers!
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Blood Issue took my mom last night
by rwagoner inafter years of fighting a physical disability that ended in kidney failure and several bouts of respiratory/cardiac arrestmy mom landed in the hospital last week.
the doc's said she needed heart surgery and kidney transplants but before they could operate they need to get her blood count back up.
it had fallen well below what her body could naturally restore on its own she she needed transfusions.
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independent_tre
Witnesses are forever condemning others as 'blood guilty' of this or that, when in fact the WTS has its hands covered in blood due to this extrascriptural requirement.
My deepest, wholehearted sympathy to you and your family at this sad time.
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I Saw My Mother's Time Slip
by StAnn ini took my mother a plate of food today, thanksgiving dinner.
she won't cook it because it's, well, thanksgiving, but she was sitting there waiting for me to bring her a plate of turkey and dressing.
i came in and said, "mom, i brought you some food.
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independent_tre
St Ann, thank you for starting this thread and opening yourself up a bit, even if some criticism was the result. I understand too where you are coming from. When a cult has its grips on your mother until death, you really want to save her and help her out. The damage that has been done by this cult is unbelievable. But threads like these can really help others who are dealing with close family members in, and I can't imagine anyone closer to a person than his/her mother.
I'm sorry to hear about your mom, and it does seem like her time is short. I hope with all my heart that the time you are able to talk to her is beneficial, at least a time for some closure. You deserve this and so does she.
Take care
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They "Keep Following the Lamb" - February Study Article (Praise for the GB)
by Ultimate Reality inthe article is not yet in print, however on jw.org you will find the audio recording for the february 15, 2009 study edition.. this article sums up some of the talks given over the past year or so.
it makes clear that we should trust the faithful and discreet slave because jehovah and jesus trust the "slave".
the slave has been faithfully providing spiritual food for 130 years.
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What is amazing is the role of the slave and GB seems to becoming more important than ever. It is if Jehovah and Jesus have submitted themselves to the Slave!
I was just thinking this! I had a conversation with a hard core Jdub at my job the other day and all she could say was "the slave says this, the slave tells us that, the slave provides us with spiritual direction" and so on. She rarely stated in the conversation that " the bible says this... or the bible says that". She always highlighted the 'slave' as the source of spriritual direction rather than the bible.