Posts by Da.Furious

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Troll Accusations

by Frazzled UBM in

i have noticed that some of us are a bit too eager to label new posters as trolls.

while it is clear that there are some posters who just like to stir up trouble or are out and out apologists there are others who are witnesses starting to have genuine doubts and so ask questions but then when they see the responses the cognitive dissonance kicks in and they push back and argue with what they are being told.

this can lead to very negative reactions from jwn members and accusations that the person is a troll.

Da.Furious

Very True. I had the same experience and met with FL_Panthers, Katewild and Laika. And they are all nice people to have around.

Text/posting does not do justice to anyone.

Frazzeled_UBM, maybe we should meet sometime, i am also near London.

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Recent refinements / changes in WTS

by Da.Furious in

we had our co visit and on his second talk he mentioned we need to be a pillar and support of the truth.

we can do this by accepting and working with all the changes, refinements and the speed of jehovahs organisation moving forward.. he listed the refinements and changes that occurred in the last couple of years:.

1- study edition of wt - allows the society to use more meaty articles and not worry about non jws understanding them.. 2- public edition of wt and awake.

Da.Furious

We had our CO visit and on his second talk he mentioned we need to be a pillar and support of the truth. We can do this by accepting and working with all the changes, refinements and the speed of Jehovah’s organisation moving forward.

He listed the refinements and changes that occurred in the last couple of years:

1- Study Edition of WT - allows the society to use more meaty articles and not worry about non JWs understanding them.

2- Public Edition of WT and Awake. Everything is written in a simpler way to help readers understand.

3- Reduction of the Magazines size from 32 to 16

4- Reduction of weekly meetings to allow more for family worship

5- Regular Pioneers can attend more than once the pioneer school

6- The new schools of Single brothers and Married couples which later got combined to school of evangelizer

7- The greater use of Audio and Video in our ministry

8- The new redesigned website. More languages are available online

9- Special metropolitan ministry - allows to capture the people who may not want to talk with us at home

10- The new Search Guide which is available in 160 languages compared to the WT Library which is only available in 40 languages.

That’s all he mentioned. I think he missed some others:

1- New tithing arrangement

2- No Bible study when CO visits

3- Scrapping of special assembly and splitting Circuit assemblies to 1 day and having it twice in a year

4- Changing the name of the District Conventions to Regional Conventions

5- Scrapping of DO and their responsibilities picked up by CO

6- CO ultimate power in instating and deleting elders and MS

7- Allowing tablets on platform

Not sure if i missed any - feel free to add!

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Who Ever Votes No In The Kingdom Hall?

by metatron in

jw
friends

how many of you have ever observed no votes in kingdom halls?

especially for spending on stuff?.

i've actually seen a few close votes but i is my experience unusual?

Da.Furious

What I have seen is that they ask if all agree, this is done by raising your hand. Never been asked anyone in disagreement? Presume due to the majority raising their hands. I never put my hand up for any resolution involving giving more to WTS.

Last resolution about the monthly contribution, i think i was the only person did not raise his hand and was confronted by one elder later about it. Just told him i don’t agree with the arrangement and changed the subject avoiding confrontation and checking if I believe in GB- too early to expose myself!

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Survey---who is inactive, disfellowshipped/disassociated or active?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i am inactive for about 10 years now..

Da.Furious

Enlightened since childhood but still active - Fading is not working!

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...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

by OUTLAW in

.. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

.. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

Da.Furious

I believe elders in this case are like departmental heads with lots of people eying their jobs. If they don’t comply when the CO visits them they get the chop and somebody much worse will take over.

I don’t envy them, I spoke to an elder and he somehow expressed his doubts in this arrangement and then changed the discussion. No one trusts anyone with anything, what guarantee they have a R&F will not report them to another elder or CO - elder x has doubts and does not like the new arrangement.

After all it all about position in the congregation. Some are totally brainwashed they will not notice and others are afraid to talk and very few will get the chop for raising doubts when the CO will come.

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I'm In London!

by FL_Panthers in

can anyone recommended any good congregations to visit?

my hotel is in waterloo area so something close please.

anyone else here from london?.

Da.Furious

Tempted to join you guys but not sure!

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BOE: Re: Midweek meetings during visit of circuit overseer

by pixel in

you read it here first!.

to all congregations.

re: midweek meetings during visit of circuit overseer .

Da.Furious

Very interesting. Wonder if this has to do with crowded kingdom halls. I attend at a hall with 4 congregations and the only free day is Monday with the current schedule. So having the extra meeting causes lots of trouble and changes for the other 2.

So, is the plan to cram more congregations to one hall, hence no one can complain about the CO visit and change in schedule!

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Question for active trolley publishers. Are you told not to approach anyone unless they approach you as part of your trolley training?

by KateWild in

if you actively do fs on a trolley i would love you to answer this question.

if you don't but know publishers that do can you ask them please.. are you told not to approach anyone unless they approach you as part of your trolley training?.

thanks kate xx.

Da.Furious

My understanding it all depends on the type of ministry. Here it the UK, there is:

- Metropolitan: Organised and directed by the branch and only for good standing pioneers. You have to send an application and are expected to be there on the days you are assigned.

This type does not use trolleys and the brothers and sisters hold the magazines in their hands. The technique they use is eye contact and greeting people passing by and asking if they want magazines.

- Trolley: organised by congregation and done on rota bases, usually accompanied by a pioneer. Dress code is fully suited and booted, same as business territory. One stays at the trolley, in case someone approaches and stand with couple of magazines and follows same process of metropolitan.

I think it all depends on your partner and if you are shy!

EDIT: and yes no bibles visible, no place to have hold them and we do not give any away. Only Bible teach book and WT/Awake combo.

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QFR August 15, 2014 - Resurrection and Marriage

by wisdomfrombelow in

the article addressed luke 20:34-36 and now they finally admit jesus could have been referring to the heavenly resurrection.

they said "put simply, the answer is that we cannot say" which is surprising because they have something to say about everything.

perhaps all the old people who are waiting the new world as widow and widowers want to know if they have a chance to be reunited with their dead loved one.

Da.Furious

Here is the article:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/pm18c6

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Would WTS use: 'right to be forgotten'?

by Da.Furious in

as you are aware of the new ruling that was made by the european court that allows anyone to apply for any old stuff on the internet search engines to be removed basically untagged.. there are several articles discussing this new ruling and how this will impact search engines and peoples life.

apparently a paedophile in addition to the person who won the case applied for this 'right to be forgotten'.. the question here, i know in the us there is the freedom of speech and apparently this ruling will not have much effect on usa, do you think the wts will apply for something like this and request all old material they have published prior to 2000 be removed completely from the search engines?.

Da.Furious

As you are aware of the new ruling that was made by the European Court that allows anyone to apply for any old stuff on the internet search engines to be removed – basically untagged.

There are several articles discussing this new ruling and how this will impact search engines and peoples life. Apparently a paedophile in addition to the person who won the case applied for this 'right to be forgotten'.

The question here, I know in the US there is the freedom of speech and apparently this ruling will not have much effect on USA, do you think the WTS will apply for something like this and request all old material they have published prior to 2000 be removed completely from the search engines?