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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

recovering

I totally agree with your last post Morpheus he was attempting to invalidate your credibility. Fisherman did not have the courage to do so in the light of day. I can almost guarantee he would have cherry picked the few questions that you where unable to answer as evidence to demonstrate your supposed lack of honesty. What is even more revealing is his feeling entitled to the interrogation of you away from the public eye, so that his conclusions could not be challenged. Does this not remind you of the elders, who feel entitled to stalk supposed adulterers by spying on their living arrangements, even though stalking is illegal?

I also feel that far from blocking him from our discussion we should let him carry on. His posts reveal the mentality of the witnesses. Witnesses prefer to cloak their actions in secrecy ie back room, secret elder manuals, letters that only elders are privy to, the inner workings of the governing body, the child sex abuse scandal. etc.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

recovering

Well I gave you a chance to prove your point Fishermen. I would have concluded that perhaps Morpheus erred when he posted your pm, if you would have provided a sound argument as to why he should not have. For example ; if you sincerely thought that your Identity could have been compromised by posting one of the questions, or had entered into an agreement with Morpheus not share his email from you. Furthermore, you avoided disclosing your intent , when you sent the mail to him . I can only conclude from this that you sent it with nefarious intentions. There are several scenarios that come to mind , however with out proof, I will not discuss them here.

Note: I see that you just erased your last insulting post.

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Band Green Day and JWs

by hardtobeme in

a few years ago i heard of a story about two jw's being at a green day concert.

i think that the witnesses were bethelites.

the person that told me that story said that the band was about to play but they couldn't.

recovering

"The New Zealand variant of this involved Glen Campbell asking any JWs present at his NZ concerts to stand up and then ordering them to leave. "

Steve this one is urban legend is particularly amusing to me. You see in the United states it was widely reported that Glen Campbell was a Jehovah's Witness. I remember this well, because my mother was a big fan of his music. As a matter of fact , This was such a prevalent rumor that James Penton referenced it on page 367 of his book Apocalypse Delayed: The Story of Jehovah's Witnesses.

"For example, it was long claimed inaccurately that American singing star Glen Campbell was a Witness, and some went so far as too state that they had seen him at district conventions."

Jehovah's Witnesses can't even come to a consensus as to whom to embrace versus whom to vilify.

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BBC radio Prog " The Report" this week on JW Child Abuse

by Phizzy in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs.

to be broadcast at 20.00 hrs british summer time this thursday, available on bbc i-player shortly after broadcast..

recovering

Thank you everyone

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BBC radio Prog " The Report" this week on JW Child Abuse

by Phizzy in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs.

to be broadcast at 20.00 hrs british summer time this thursday, available on bbc i-player shortly after broadcast..

recovering

I would love to hear this broadcast. Unfortunately I live in the US. Is there ant way to listen using the internet?

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

recovering

What I have seen fishermen is you avoiding the questions I have posed to you. If all your insulting posturing was just to make a point , you where truly not very successful. Advocating your position in any scholarly debate requires the presentation of facts not name calling. It is ok to disagree with any statement what is not necessary is being disagreeable.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

recovering

Fishermen I do not need an apology nor do I expect one. I fancy myself as rather open minded, however I base my conclusions on facts . I asked you two very easy questions. I promise I will answer your question regarding the posting of your Pm publically if you answer my questions. If you do not answer the questions, logic would dictate that you have an ulterior motive for not doing so.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

recovering

You actually have amused me Fisherman with your comment regarding my education. (I actually have earned several graduate degrees including a Phd.) Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them uneducated or a "moron" My point in the previous post was to remind you of your own claim that ...

We are just having a discussion here with no harm or malice or disrespect intended whatsoever to anyone. I respectfully submit that same courtesy that you requested, be extended to other posters. You can not automatically conclude that others posted in order to harm you.

In my particular case I have not made a decision yet, as to whether you have a valid reason to object to your pm being posted. What I do know is you have a valid objection or not, your approach to addressing the situation is abrasive and hostile. I need more information before I can come to a conclusion regarding the validity of your objection. I would love to know what the purpose of your pm to Morpheus was? Why did you ask him those particular questions?

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

recovering

I have no skin in this argument , however this is what I have observed and concluded. Fisherman it seems that you are deeply concerned about your name outing you . You have been posting for years , often questioning Watchtower policy. If fisherman is your real name it would appear be you who have outed yourself by any logical person. You seem very legalistic in your attitude towards commenting. This is all well and good , however you should treat others using the same standards as you want applied to yourself. I point to your profile as evidence of that.

"Hi, The information posted past present and future is to be considered viewpoint, opinion, feeling, believed. It may also be the belief, feeling or opinion of someone else and not necessarily mine, or it may be hypothetical, or it may be to see how others feel about a certain opinion or position, but not intended to be authoritative or factual presentational or factual representational. We are just having a discussion here with no harm or malice or disrespect intended whatsoever to anyone. It is my intention to comply with all rules and TOS of this website. It is my intention to to comply with all laws that govern my posts. Again, no harm or malice or disrespect is intended to anyone or anything, just having a discussion of viewpoints. In the event that anything posted violates or is believed to violate any law that governs what has been posted, I give my consent that the information in question should be removed immediately, and also request that the website should remove the related information immediately. I also request to be properly notified immediately. I reserve all of my rights provided by all laws everywhere and I also reserve all of my rights of freedom of speech provided by the laws of the United States of America, however, it is not my intention whatsoever to violate or encroach on anyone's freedom or rights or to offend anyone or anything in any way. Very truly yours, Fisherman "

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No More Literal Peaceful Animals in Paradise?

by FusionTheism in

there is a quote in the new june episode of jw broadcasting, which says isaiah 11:6 applies to people inside the congregations now who have their personalities transformed.. in the 1980's and 1990's, when i attended meetings all the time, i always heard them say this scripture had a literal fulfillment and the animals will be at peace with one another.. here is the scripture:.

isaiah 11:6 (nwt): the wolf will reside for a while with the lamb, and with the young goat the leopard will lie down, and the calf and the lion and the fattened animal will all be together; and a little boy will lead them.. after hearing the quote, i did a search on jw.org, and i found this statement regarding that scripture:.

isaiah book 1, pages 163-165:.

recovering

I am surprised that they have not changed it to this,

isaiah 11:6 (nwt): the wolf will reside for a while with the lamb, and with the young goat the leopard will lie down, and the calf and the lion and the fattened animal will all be together; and a child molester will lead them all.