Hi Matty,thanks for the reply to my post earlier.I hope you have a great Christmas party this year :) .It's a bit strange that the bloke I used to date who is a Jehovahs Witness has invited me to his works Christmas do (his work mates don't know hes a witness though),and this Christmas quizz thing at the pub...and he's also taking me to the college Christmas ball.I don't understand that.I suppose he could just say he's going for the food and the ''social'' side of it though,and not for the Christmas cellebration.Oh well...have a fab time! and don't drink too much!,you wanna be able to remember ya first party.
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by Matty ini've worked for the same company since i left college, for a long time, and so some people where i work have known me for many years.
i am by and large still known as a jehovah's witness who generally refuses social invites.
i have not spoken a great deal to my work colleagues about my change of heart about my religion, just a select few, although people have definitely noticed that i don't preach at them anymore!
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hi,it's been a while since i last wrote on this site.i know quite a lot of you took the time to read my story about when i was 17 (now 18) and i met a jehovah's witness bloke who was 20 at the time (now 21).you can read my story if you want in my ''posts'' under my user name.we had a relationship and he told me a few months later that he is jw.i remember the last time i added to my story we had broken up our relationship and decided not to stay friends.because i stopped writing on my page,after that, i didn't tell you that several days afterwards i felt i couldn't deal with the pain of not talking to each other anymore so we began texting and phoning each other again...and then met up in town.i thought i could move on but i obviously wasn't strong enough to do that.. i wanted us to be together so much and was really keen that we might still be able to work things out even though he chose to stay in his religion,so in the end i asked him if we could get back together and he said yes.we split up a few times though because this whole religion thing really got to me at times.i've been coming back to this website every few evenings to read people's thoughts and experience's...and found it helps to know others have been through similar things too.i know some other people have had more heartbreaking stories to tell on here but i feel my experience hurt me and it might help others that may be going through what i went through.. over the past few weeks i think i realized that if my then-boyfriend and i stayed in our relationship,either way it wasn't going to be easy.i also felt that he had hurt me too many times,emotionaly.i hurt him too,as i was so frustrated,angry and upset at times that i said some things i didn't mean.a few weeks ago i asked him if we could just be good friends...he sounded rather hurt and upset but he said yes.that leads me to where we are now...just good friends.we still see each other,maybe not so often as we did when we were dating but it's nice that we can stay friends i suppose.i feel more happier now that we are just friends,don't get me wrong...i really wish things could have been different (eg if he wasn't a jw) but he is and i suppose that's in a way what makes him him.. i also want to say thank's ''concerned mama'' for the e-mail you sent me.i think i read one of your comments on another topic here the other day and you mentioned that your daughter had broken up with her boyfriend of 2 years or something?,i remember you told me about her and her b/f on the story i wrote.i'm sorry to hear they have split up,if they had.but in a way it might be a good thing don't you think.. thanks everyone for all the advice and support you gave me...it really helped.. funky_diva_53_2000 .
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Hi,it's been a while since I last wrote on this site.I know quite a lot of you took the time to read my story about when I was 17 (now 18) and I met a Jehovah's Witness bloke who was 20 at the time (now 21).You can read my story if you want in my ''posts'' under my user name.We had a relationship and he told me a few months later that he is JW.I remember the last time I added to my story we had broken up our relationship and decided not to stay friends.Because I stopped writing on my page,after that, I didn't tell you that several days afterwards I felt I couldn't deal with the pain of not talking to each other anymore so we began texting and phoning each other again...and then met up in town.I thought I could move on but I obviously wasn't strong enough to do that.
I wanted us to be together so much and was really keen that we might still be able to work things out even though he chose to stay in his religion,so In the end I asked him if we could get back together and he said yes.We split up a few times though because this whole religion thing really got to me at times.I've been coming back to this website every few evenings to read people's thoughts and experience's...and found it helps to know others have been through similar things too.I know some other people have had more heartbreaking stories to tell on here but I feel my experience hurt me and It might help others that may be going through what I went through.
Over the past few weeks I think I realized that if my then-boyfriend and I stayed in our relationship,either way it wasn't going to be easy.I also felt that he had hurt me too many times,emotionaly.I hurt him too,as I was so frustrated,angry and upset at times that I said some things I didn't mean.A few weeks ago I asked him if we could just be good friends...he sounded rather hurt and upset but he said yes.That leads me to where we are now...just good friends.We still see each other,maybe not so often as we did when we were dating but it's nice that we can stay friends I suppose.I feel more happier now that we are just friends,don't get me wrong...I really wish things could have been different (eg if he wasn't a JW) but he is and I suppose that's in a way what makes him him.
I also want to say thank's ''concerned mama'' for the e-mail you sent me.I think I read one of your comments on another topic here the other day and you mentioned that your daughter had broken up with her boyfriend of 2 years or something?,I remember you told me about her and her b/f on the story I wrote.I'm sorry to hear they have split up,if they had.But in a way it might be a good thing don't you think.
Thanks everyone for all the advice and support you gave me...it really helped.
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My B/F told me he's a J/W after months of dating!
by Funky_Diva_53_2000 inhi, i'm 17 and i've just recently become a member of this website and i want you to know what has happened to me over the past months.back in sep/oct 2001 i started chatting to a 20 year old bloke via the internet and we developed a great friendship over the net.we would talk online for ages,text and phone each other loads,we sent each other photos of ourselves and he would often put his webcam on for me to see.before i knew it he played a great part in my everyday life...and i spent so much time chatting to him that my college work suffered a lot & i wasn't doing my coursework (i eventually got told to leave as i hadn't done loads of the assignments and stuff & had fallen behind).
after about 6 months we arranged to meet up (i made sure my parents were at home coz i know it's dodgy to meet people from the internet).anyway,he came round my house one evening in march and we got along soo well...he lives quite locally too which was good.our friendship then grew into a relationship and we started dating and going out together,i was sooo happy and i fell for him in a massive way & he said he felt the same way too.to me,he was a girls dream come true...he was kind,caring,fit,good-looking & gentle and i loved him to bits!,i still do,and i thought we'd be together forever.
something that i did find a bit strange though was i hadn't met his family yet or heard my boyfriend talk much about them.i would question him about his family but he seemed to get a bit funny about it and when i mentioned about meeting his family he said something along the lines of ''they're a bit strange,you might not like them'' (or something like that anyway).that got me thinking and i though prehaps they lived in a run-down place or something,or they wern't very nice people and i thought my b/f could be ashamed to let me meet them.i thought to myself to give him time & he'll see that i'm an understanding & nice person and hoped that he would soon come out and tell me what the problem was (thinking it was about what i've just mentioned).
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Hi,I know I haven't wrote anything on here for a while...I wanted a bit of a break from typing and had other things on my mind as you know.I'd just like to say a big thanks to everyone who has replied to my story on here,you have all been a great help and I'm so greatful for the support you've given me.It's also nice to know that other people on here have been through simmilar things and understand how I feel too.
Anyway,I thought I would let you know what has happened.As you probally know I asked my boyfriend (now ex) to decide if he wanted to carry on with our relationship together or to stay in his religion...I gave him the month to make up his mind.I told him that if we stayed together then he would have to leave his religion as there was no way I was going to be converted to the Jehovahs Witness religion.I lent a book and some information from the internet to him to try and help him make a decision and I tried to explain to him that I think there are other ways of serving God apart from belonging to the Watchtower organization etc etc.
We carried on seeing each other and last Wednesday we met in town.We had a chat and he told me he was staying in his religion.We both talked for a while,hugged and cried loads...just before I was about to leave he gave me a bible he said he had bought for me.I remember saying to him one day that I didn't want the bible from his congregation and If I wanted a bible I would buy one from a bookshop,that was where he got this one from.I think he had hopes of me reading it and wanting to be converted to his religion,but I made it clear that it was never going to happen...I'd made up my mind and will never be a J/W.After a long chat I decided to go home.It was horrible having to leave him...it kind of felt like me having a child and having to leave it,knowing that I'd probally never see the person again.I didn't want to leave but I felt it was the best thing and we were both getting so upset.So I got up and just kind of forced myself to walk away...I can't really describe how I felt but it was'nt nice,I felt very sad and empty mixed with other emotions like anger and heartache.He'd gone.I'd gone.We'd finished.
I walked back through town,fighting back the tears and trying not to cry...I saw loads of families and people happily together,having a great time & I thought of all the happy times we had shared together...that made me feel sad knowing that we wern't ''together'' anymore.I just kept walking and walking and eventually headed home.I think it was then that it hit me...we were over and I somehow had to let go and get on with my life.I felt I couldn't stay friends with him after being in a relationship so we're not staying in touch.
It's hard,and sad when a strong religion like this gets in the way and can split up families as well as relationships (if one person's a J/W & the other isn't).I suppose it's made me think about life a bit more and that life is what people make it...and I think we all have to stick together,be nice to each other,help one another,try to get along well and share happy times.Life is here and it's here for us to live it and I think it's up to us to decide where we want to go in life,what we want to do and what makes us happy.
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My B/F told me he's a J/W after months of dating!
by Funky_Diva_53_2000 inhi, i'm 17 and i've just recently become a member of this website and i want you to know what has happened to me over the past months.back in sep/oct 2001 i started chatting to a 20 year old bloke via the internet and we developed a great friendship over the net.we would talk online for ages,text and phone each other loads,we sent each other photos of ourselves and he would often put his webcam on for me to see.before i knew it he played a great part in my everyday life...and i spent so much time chatting to him that my college work suffered a lot & i wasn't doing my coursework (i eventually got told to leave as i hadn't done loads of the assignments and stuff & had fallen behind).
after about 6 months we arranged to meet up (i made sure my parents were at home coz i know it's dodgy to meet people from the internet).anyway,he came round my house one evening in march and we got along soo well...he lives quite locally too which was good.our friendship then grew into a relationship and we started dating and going out together,i was sooo happy and i fell for him in a massive way & he said he felt the same way too.to me,he was a girls dream come true...he was kind,caring,fit,good-looking & gentle and i loved him to bits!,i still do,and i thought we'd be together forever.
something that i did find a bit strange though was i hadn't met his family yet or heard my boyfriend talk much about them.i would question him about his family but he seemed to get a bit funny about it and when i mentioned about meeting his family he said something along the lines of ''they're a bit strange,you might not like them'' (or something like that anyway).that got me thinking and i though prehaps they lived in a run-down place or something,or they wern't very nice people and i thought my b/f could be ashamed to let me meet them.i thought to myself to give him time & he'll see that i'm an understanding & nice person and hoped that he would soon come out and tell me what the problem was (thinking it was about what i've just mentioned).
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Broken, Like you, I was raised as a Witness. Like you, I was a true believer. At about your age, I started reading some of the very old books. They shook me to the core. If you read Russell's books before 1914, you will not recognize it as the same religion, especially when it comes to prophecy. I would highly recommend that you do some research. For starters, go to the sites listed at the bottom of the page, especially, Quotes, Freeminds, and Silentlambs. You owe it to yourself to do this exploration.
Thanks,this sounds like it might be useful for my boyfriend to read,if he want's,& find out more information.He knows at the end of the day he will have to make his own decision about what he wants to do.I'm not sure if he will read the book's or websites you have recommended...I hope so though,for his sake and our relationship,but that's up to him wether he does or not.I don't know if it will make a difference as he's been a Jehovahs witness for 20 years & seems very dedicated and into the religion.
larc...Do you mind if I ask you how long you were in the J/W religion for?...and how long
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by Funky_Diva_53_2000 inhi, i'm 17 and i've just recently become a member of this website and i want you to know what has happened to me over the past months.back in sep/oct 2001 i started chatting to a 20 year old bloke via the internet and we developed a great friendship over the net.we would talk online for ages,text and phone each other loads,we sent each other photos of ourselves and he would often put his webcam on for me to see.before i knew it he played a great part in my everyday life...and i spent so much time chatting to him that my college work suffered a lot & i wasn't doing my coursework (i eventually got told to leave as i hadn't done loads of the assignments and stuff & had fallen behind).
after about 6 months we arranged to meet up (i made sure my parents were at home coz i know it's dodgy to meet people from the internet).anyway,he came round my house one evening in march and we got along soo well...he lives quite locally too which was good.our friendship then grew into a relationship and we started dating and going out together,i was sooo happy and i fell for him in a massive way & he said he felt the same way too.to me,he was a girls dream come true...he was kind,caring,fit,good-looking & gentle and i loved him to bits!,i still do,and i thought we'd be together forever.
something that i did find a bit strange though was i hadn't met his family yet or heard my boyfriend talk much about them.i would question him about his family but he seemed to get a bit funny about it and when i mentioned about meeting his family he said something along the lines of ''they're a bit strange,you might not like them'' (or something like that anyway).that got me thinking and i though prehaps they lived in a run-down place or something,or they wern't very nice people and i thought my b/f could be ashamed to let me meet them.i thought to myself to give him time & he'll see that i'm an understanding & nice person and hoped that he would soon come out and tell me what the problem was (thinking it was about what i've just mentioned).
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As long as you have this mentality that being with funkydiva equates with death then I suggest you back off and leave the poor girl alone. Or is that just another ploy to bed her?
Another ploy to bed me?...what exactually do you mean by this?,because if you're talking about sex then no we never had sex.With all love and respect for my b/f (and I won't mention his name for that matter) I'd like to tell you something else that has happened though,not that it's really anyone's buisness...it's quite private and personal to me,and probally to him for that matter.But because it's been playing on my mind quite a lot lately I wanted to add it to the message board.I suppose this also add's to why I have been so tearfull lately.
Not so long ago I agreed to stay the night at my boyfriends house (this was before I knew he was a J/W).It was when his sister was away on holiday and I trusted my boyfriend enough to stay over his house so I did.We didn't have sex,and I wouldn't do unless I'm sure I know about the person 100% enough to share something like that with them anyway.However,things did happen at his house that night and I don't regret what happened because I love him to bits,it felt so natural at the time and I wanted to show him how much I love him and want to be with him...but what I can't understand is why my boyfriend LET it happen and didn't say something like ''we can't/should'nt do this,I need to tell you...I'm a Jehovahs Witness''.
I get the impression from him that he may have found it very difficult to stop himself and tell me when both alone,not fully clothed,in his bedroom and got a bit carried away (could just be the male testosterone) but I still keep thinking 'why if he says he loves me as much as he does and never ment to hurt my feelings then why,why did he let us continue the sexual intimacy together?.This didn't just happen that night,it happened many other times.
I know Jehovahs Witnesses are not supposed to have sex before they're married,let alone with a 'Wordly girl'...does the same go for oral sex? and other sexual activities that two people would do when they are in love?.Please can someone with good advice reply to this.
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by Funky_Diva_53_2000 inhi, i'm 17 and i've just recently become a member of this website and i want you to know what has happened to me over the past months.back in sep/oct 2001 i started chatting to a 20 year old bloke via the internet and we developed a great friendship over the net.we would talk online for ages,text and phone each other loads,we sent each other photos of ourselves and he would often put his webcam on for me to see.before i knew it he played a great part in my everyday life...and i spent so much time chatting to him that my college work suffered a lot & i wasn't doing my coursework (i eventually got told to leave as i hadn't done loads of the assignments and stuff & had fallen behind).
after about 6 months we arranged to meet up (i made sure my parents were at home coz i know it's dodgy to meet people from the internet).anyway,he came round my house one evening in march and we got along soo well...he lives quite locally too which was good.our friendship then grew into a relationship and we started dating and going out together,i was sooo happy and i fell for him in a massive way & he said he felt the same way too.to me,he was a girls dream come true...he was kind,caring,fit,good-looking & gentle and i loved him to bits!,i still do,and i thought we'd be together forever.
something that i did find a bit strange though was i hadn't met his family yet or heard my boyfriend talk much about them.i would question him about his family but he seemed to get a bit funny about it and when i mentioned about meeting his family he said something along the lines of ''they're a bit strange,you might not like them'' (or something like that anyway).that got me thinking and i though prehaps they lived in a run-down place or something,or they wern't very nice people and i thought my b/f could be ashamed to let me meet them.i thought to myself to give him time & he'll see that i'm an understanding & nice person and hoped that he would soon come out and tell me what the problem was (thinking it was about what i've just mentioned).
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My question is: Is he baptized? The reason I want to know is, if he's 20 y/o, and he's not baptized yet, that may be good for you. Most JW youths are baptized well before their 18th b-day, if they are "spiritually minded".
Wordly girl...yeah my boyfriend was baptized last June I think it was. I asked him if he would have still gone ahead and get baptized if we had met each other before June (not that we knew each other then), but he said he probally would have still got baptized.
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by Funky_Diva_53_2000 inhi, i'm 17 and i've just recently become a member of this website and i want you to know what has happened to me over the past months.back in sep/oct 2001 i started chatting to a 20 year old bloke via the internet and we developed a great friendship over the net.we would talk online for ages,text and phone each other loads,we sent each other photos of ourselves and he would often put his webcam on for me to see.before i knew it he played a great part in my everyday life...and i spent so much time chatting to him that my college work suffered a lot & i wasn't doing my coursework (i eventually got told to leave as i hadn't done loads of the assignments and stuff & had fallen behind).
after about 6 months we arranged to meet up (i made sure my parents were at home coz i know it's dodgy to meet people from the internet).anyway,he came round my house one evening in march and we got along soo well...he lives quite locally too which was good.our friendship then grew into a relationship and we started dating and going out together,i was sooo happy and i fell for him in a massive way & he said he felt the same way too.to me,he was a girls dream come true...he was kind,caring,fit,good-looking & gentle and i loved him to bits!,i still do,and i thought we'd be together forever.
something that i did find a bit strange though was i hadn't met his family yet or heard my boyfriend talk much about them.i would question him about his family but he seemed to get a bit funny about it and when i mentioned about meeting his family he said something along the lines of ''they're a bit strange,you might not like them'' (or something like that anyway).that got me thinking and i though prehaps they lived in a run-down place or something,or they wern't very nice people and i thought my b/f could be ashamed to let me meet them.i thought to myself to give him time & he'll see that i'm an understanding & nice person and hoped that he would soon come out and tell me what the problem was (thinking it was about what i've just mentioned).
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Yeah I would invite him round so we could look at these pages together but my parents have banned my boyfriend from coming over our house since he told me he is a Jehovahs Witness and they say they don't want someone who has decieved me to come round their house.I've told my b/f about this site & that I've wrote my article on here and he's read it.He say's he's read some things that other people have wrote on here too,so I'm taking his word for it that he has.
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by chineseprincess infor about 2 months i have been seeing a jw male.
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Hi,I'm in a very similar situation as you...I'm 17 and going out with a 20 year old Jehovahs Witness.I've sent my story ''My B/F told me he's J/W after month's of dating'' a few mins ago on here (I only joined today & thought I might be able to find some good advice from this site).Mail me back if ya want,hope to hear from u.Funky_Diva_53_2000.
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by Funky_Diva_53_2000 inhi, i'm 17 and i've just recently become a member of this website and i want you to know what has happened to me over the past months.back in sep/oct 2001 i started chatting to a 20 year old bloke via the internet and we developed a great friendship over the net.we would talk online for ages,text and phone each other loads,we sent each other photos of ourselves and he would often put his webcam on for me to see.before i knew it he played a great part in my everyday life...and i spent so much time chatting to him that my college work suffered a lot & i wasn't doing my coursework (i eventually got told to leave as i hadn't done loads of the assignments and stuff & had fallen behind).
after about 6 months we arranged to meet up (i made sure my parents were at home coz i know it's dodgy to meet people from the internet).anyway,he came round my house one evening in march and we got along soo well...he lives quite locally too which was good.our friendship then grew into a relationship and we started dating and going out together,i was sooo happy and i fell for him in a massive way & he said he felt the same way too.to me,he was a girls dream come true...he was kind,caring,fit,good-looking & gentle and i loved him to bits!,i still do,and i thought we'd be together forever.
something that i did find a bit strange though was i hadn't met his family yet or heard my boyfriend talk much about them.i would question him about his family but he seemed to get a bit funny about it and when i mentioned about meeting his family he said something along the lines of ''they're a bit strange,you might not like them'' (or something like that anyway).that got me thinking and i though prehaps they lived in a run-down place or something,or they wern't very nice people and i thought my b/f could be ashamed to let me meet them.i thought to myself to give him time & he'll see that i'm an understanding & nice person and hoped that he would soon come out and tell me what the problem was (thinking it was about what i've just mentioned).
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Hi, I'm 17 and I've just recently become a member of this website and I want you to know what has happened to me over the past months.Back in Sep/Oct 2001 I started chatting to a 20 year old bloke via the internet and we developed a great friendship over the net.We would talk online for ages,text and phone each other loads,we sent each other photos of ourselves and he would often put his webcam on for me to see.Before I knew it he played a great part in my everyday life...and I spent so much time chatting to him that my college work suffered a lot & I wasn't doing my coursework (I eventually got told to leave as I hadn't done loads of the assignments and stuff & had fallen behind).
After about 6 months we arranged to meet up (I made sure my parents were at home coz I know it's dodgy to meet people from the internet).Anyway,he came round my house one evening in March and we got along soo well...he lives quite locally too which was good.Our friendship then grew into a relationship and we started dating and going out together,I was sooo happy and I fell for him in a massive way & he said he felt the same way too.To me,he was a girls dream come true...he was kind,caring,fit,good-looking & gentle and I loved him to bits!,I still do,and I thought we'd be together forever.
Something that I did find a bit strange though was I hadn't met his family yet or heard my boyfriend talk much about them.I would question him about his family but he seemed to get a bit funny about it and when I mentioned about meeting his family he said something along the lines of ''they're a bit strange,you might not like them'' (or something like that anyway).That got me thinking and I though prehaps they lived in a run-down place or something,or they wern't very nice people and I thought my b/f could be ashamed to let me meet them.I thought to myself to give him time & he'll see that I'm an understanding & nice person and hoped that he would soon come out and tell me what the problem was (thinking it was about what I've just mentioned).
Then After about 2 months into the relationship I was talking to him on the phone one day & questioned him about his family again...I think he sussed at this time that I was getting more suspicious.Later that evening I recieved a text message telling me that he had been 'brought up by a religious family'.Then I got another msg and it turns out he's a Jehovahs Witness.I was ok with it untill I spoke to my parents & found out that I'd have to become one if we ever wanted to get married and take the relationship further...and it made a lot of other things complicated too.Then I started making sense of the things he told me about his family...and the fact that he wouldn't go out with me on certain days (church meetings etc etc),it was like putting together pieces of a jigsaw.
Anyway...basically,I'm still going out with my boyfriend,I love him to bits and I want to be with him for the rest of my life.I have been reading several books and spoken to quite a lot of people about this and what has happened and I've also been to websites on the net and been reading some of the bible.The religion however,I will not go into and I've told my b/f that I will not become a J/W...I don't believe their beliefs & have different views about life and stuff.I've been brought up as a Christian,not a strict one (I don't go to church & stuff but I was christined when I was younger & live in a christian family).I have asked my boyfriend to look at other information about his religion and look at why some people leave that particular religion,I feel in a way that he hasn't been given much of a chance too look for himself and feel he's been brainwashed by the congregation.He's been brought up as a J/W all his life for 20 years and I don't think he will come out of it and see things differently,I still have a little hope though.
We have both cried loads over this and I really dont want to loose him.I've told him that he's got untill the end of this month to decide what he feels is the right thing for him to do (either to come out his religion or to stay in it).Allthough he said he would like us both to stay friends if we end up splitting up,I don't think I could be friends as it would emotionally hurt us too much.If anyone who's been in a similar situation or has advice for me then please let me know,I'd be really greatfull for a response.Thanks for listening.
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