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  The Gov Body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese

  by iloowy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  at http://christianwitnesses.com/ .

  there's a phrase: .

  "the gov body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese" .

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  iloowy

  Hmmm... links don't show up when you use Chrome for a browser. " the website at: http://christianwitnesses.com/ " I guess you could just cut and paste. Or if someone more savvy on this software could make it live then please help. Thanks. --ILOOWY
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  The Gov Body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese

  by iloowy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  at http://christianwitnesses.com/ .

  there's a phrase: .

  "the gov body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese" .

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  iloowy

  The point on obesity vs. gluttony is well expressed in the foregoing posts. A person can be thin and still be a "glutton".

  Here, let's use money as an example:

  A person can be very poor and yet very greedy and so can a person who is filthy rich still be very kind with money and try to help others with their excess.

  But...

  The fact is that the website at

  mentions that "The Gov Body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese".

  It doesn't say anything about gluttony. Nothing is mentioned about expelling "gluttons" but rather those "judged too obese"...

  Well then who is doing the judging? Will they put a weigh in scale at the entrance of the KH or will they have an attendant with a tape measurer? Will they assemble a Judicial Committee to "judge" who is "too obese"?

  It just seems so ridiculous a thought. If indeed it was brought out in a Governing Body session it taints the image of this "Governing Body" as a group of judgmental bigots trying to exert their own misshapen consciences on those they trample and tread underfoot with pharisaical rulings.

  This is why it would be important to get at the root of this leak... if indeed it was something discussed by the Governing Body, then "Wow!" if it's something made up then it's a false accusation.

  I'm interested in knowing more about who may have said something as "stupid" as bringing for consideration expelling people for their being over weight according to another persons standards of body shape and body mass.

  Who really has the right to judge another on Salvation on this issue. Please note that the quote says nothing, nothing, not a mention of "gluttony" only about being "judged too obese". What an incredible statement!

  Sincerely. --ILOOWY
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  The Gov Body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese

  by iloowy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  at http://christianwitnesses.com/ .

  there's a phrase: .

  "the gov body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese" .

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  iloowy

  At http://christianwitnesses.com/

  there's a phrase:

  "The Gov Body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese"

  Can this be confirmed. Where does the original mention of this get

  leaked? I've never heard it before... but sounds ridiculous.

  Anyone here have more info on this?

  --ILOOWY
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  Essentially speaking

  by iloowy in

  1. social
  2. humour

  can you think in essential terms?

  give it a try, give vent to your essentialist musings.. here's a few religiously formulated essentialisms to get started:.

  --the wt society is essentially a re-working of the catholic church as filtered through the adventist hopes of a pyramidology lover.. --the episcopal church in new hampshire is essentially a roman catholic diocese with protestant trappings out of the closet.. --the mormon gospel is essentially an off-shoot of 18th century tall tales read aloud with a king james accent.. --the private rooms at bethel are essentially the only remaining places on earth where good angels fear to tread.. --the amish are essentially christian baptized chasidic jews who prefer the smell a horse's back end to city diesel fumes.. --evangelicals are essentially those having eyes but blind and having ears but are deaf to the fire and brimstone of the wt armageddon .

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  iloowy

  Here's a few webgrown essentialist statements about the English language:

  --Midwestern US English is essentially New England English with their sinuses filled with ice.

  --American English is essentially the language that everyone understands if you speak it loudly and slowly enough.

  --Broken English is the language of international trade.

  --Pig Latin is essentially eulological English as spoken by Latin professors with Tourette's syndrome.

  --Basic English is essentially Rapping, but censored and without the beat.

  --American English is essentially a tool to keep a person from ever being able to speak another language.

  --Australian is essentially a dialect of English as spoken by hungry Europeans pursuing a kangaroo dinner.

  --Australian English is essentially Cockney without the refinement.

  --American English is essentially English after having been wiped off with a dirty sponge.

  --American English is essentially British English without the redundancies, including the monarchy.

  --Today's British English is what today's American English would have become if Americans hadn't had any fun either.

  --American English is essentially your Queen's English as bastardized by colonists, or is it as colonized by bastards?

  --American English is essentially British English without the funny accent. [Or is that Canadian English?]

  --American English is essentially Irish English as spoken by non-native speakers.

  --The Queen's English is essentially Modern Anglo-Saxon as passed on by generation after generation of stiff necked Norman nobles with their noses in the air.

  --Texan English is essentially Spanish as spoken by drunken American rebels.

  --Yankee is essentially 18th Century English as altered by the impure thoughts of Puritans with cabin fever.

  --Jamaican is essentially an African dialect with enough mispronounced English to be able to buy ganja and sing reggae.

  --Scots is essentially English, only funnier.

  --Scots is essentially English as spoken by Robert Burns.

  --Scots is essentially English spoken as Dutch by a Dane.

  --South Philadelphian is essentially Italian with the final syllables dropped off.

  --Southern US English is essentially English without monophthongs.

  --Yo! Ebonics is essentially Welfarese processed through a grant-seeking processor akin to a guitarist's distortion box in the hands of the psychotropic educrats, homies.

  --Ebonics essentially is the speech of hoods in the 'hood.

  --King James English is essentially the language that many Americans think Jesus spoke. "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!"

  --Psycho-babble is essentially Minbari spoken by seekers of tax-funded grants, power-hungry psycho-totalitarians, counsellors or other unemployables while wearing a too-tight tiara.

  --Galach is essentially Anglo-Slavic run through Grimm's Law and baked on the desert of Arrakis until well-dune.

  --Governmentese is essentially a branch of spoken and written English designed to say nothing with as many words as possible hoping that the nothing is lost in the translation.

  --Old English is essentially mispronounced Modern English spoken while wearing armor and carrying a roundshield and sword.

  --Yeshivish is essentially English spoken by people who think they're speaking Yiddish.

  --American English essentially is not English and is not American either.

  --Southern US English is essentially Irish English spoken through moonshine and whiskey instead of stout and ale.

  --San Diegan is essentially Iowan as spoken by people living in a geographically interesting location.

  --Surfer Speak is essentially Iowan as spoken by people who are perpetually stoned.

  --American grammar is essentially not essential

  --Canadian English is essentially Mid-West American English with a lot of eh's.

  --American English is essentially the language nobody speaks well, but everybody seems to understand.
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  Essentially speaking

  by iloowy in

  1. social
  2. humour

  can you think in essential terms?

  give it a try, give vent to your essentialist musings.. here's a few religiously formulated essentialisms to get started:.

  --the wt society is essentially a re-working of the catholic church as filtered through the adventist hopes of a pyramidology lover.. --the episcopal church in new hampshire is essentially a roman catholic diocese with protestant trappings out of the closet.. --the mormon gospel is essentially an off-shoot of 18th century tall tales read aloud with a king james accent.. --the private rooms at bethel are essentially the only remaining places on earth where good angels fear to tread.. --the amish are essentially christian baptized chasidic jews who prefer the smell a horse's back end to city diesel fumes.. --evangelicals are essentially those having eyes but blind and having ears but are deaf to the fire and brimstone of the wt armageddon .

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  iloowy

  Can you think in essential terms? Give it a try, give vent to your essentialist musings.

  Here's a few Religiously formulated Essentialisms to get started:

  --The WT Society is essentially a re-working of the Catholic church as filtered through the adventist hopes of a pyramidology lover.

  --The Episcopal Church in New Hampshire is essentially a Roman Catholic diocese with protestant trappings out of the closet.

  --The Mormon Gospel is essentially an off-shoot of 18th century tall tales read aloud with a King James accent.

  --The private rooms at Bethel are essentially the only remaining places on Earth where good angels fear to tread.

  --The Amish are essentially Christian baptized Chasidic Jews who prefer the smell a horse's back end to city diesel fumes.

  --Evangelicals are essentially those having eyes but blind and having ears but are deaf to the fire and brimstone of the WT Armageddon
  (since having their own end times to preach about are just as content with the damnation of the whole world).

  --The Greek Orthodox church is essentially the same as the Catholic Church without all the Roman ass-kissing.

  --The Roman Catholic Church is essentially the same as the Orthodox but with less autocephalous ethnocentricity and more patriarchal ass-kissing.

  --The Watch Tower Society's religious views are essentially the same as those of the Bible Students as filtered through the drunken babblings of Rutherford.

  --The Russellite Bible Students of today are essentially the same as the Watch Tower of yesteryear but more hip, and internet connected.

  --The Branch Davidians are essentially Seventh Day Adventists who were willing to die for a cultish idol.

  --The Chuch of God Armstrong essentially strong armed Christians with second hand Watch Tower teachings and a sprinkling of Anglican superstitions.

  --Watch Tower Bethel is essentially a cloister of modern day medieval monks with the mentality to match.

  --Watch Tower lawyers are essentially nephilim, except shorter and without the angelic pedigree.

  --Watch Tower appointed elders are essentially the Theo-Nazi thought-police of JWhood-dom

  --Watch Tower Circuit Overseers are essentially Theo-Nazi Gestapo officers with strict orders to follow.

  --Watch Tower District Overseers are essentially Theo-Nazi Gestapo officers with an ax to grind and special recognition hack away.

  --Watch Tower Governing Body members are essentially Theo-Nazi oligarchs who caroused themselves to the top over other Theo-Nazi Gestapo riff-raff.

  --Judge Rutherford was essentially a Catholic Cardinal but without the Roman tradition and too sauced into hubris to put himself below the Pope.

  --Pastor Russell was essentially a businessman gone awfully wrong into religion while selling ideas without insurance.

  --Joseph Smith was essentially abducted by aliens outside their time continuum for taboo experimentations but returned as defective goods.

  --Calvin was essentially a Roman Catholic who wished he could be an angel and a demon he became.

  --Joe Tkach Senior was essentially an evangelical in Armstrong's clothing, including his underpants and socks which he tried to air out.

  --Joe Tkach Junior was essentially a clone of his father except not as pious and with a sad cognitive deficiency.

  --The medical staff at Watch Tower Bethel are essentially blood-less suckers.

  Can you think of some others??? G'ahead, give it a shot!
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  A CLEAR definition of "higher education"

  by easyreader1970 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yesterday i went to the saturday segment of the two day circuit assembly.

  the brother giving the talk wanted to make sure that all in attendance understood clearly what the watchtower's definition of "higher education" was.

  this is not verbatim, but this is as clear as i can remember it.

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  iloowy

  WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN DOCTORS OR LAWYERS....unless....we get really sick, or someone tries to sue us......um.....

  Well, if you prevent the R&F from studying medicine and law
  there's less likelyhood that they'll sue the WT Society when
  they find out about the laughability of blood fractions and
  knowing how to run around the legal system to fight the
  Society's Legal Department.

  --ILOOWY
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  Prince goes preaching

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  see "prince going door-to-door crusading as jehovah's witness.".

  http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=73628.

  for the usa today story on prince, see.

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  iloowy

  Look! It's that disfellowshipped - for - not - molesting - kids, former brother, formerly known as prince! Oh how we love him!

  Wait a minute! I think you got Prince and Michael Jackson confused.

  Prince wasn't accused of molestation that I've known. He was quite
  a hit with the ladies in his pre-JW days though, carmen electra etc.

  But he's clean and in good standing as far as we know. Do you have
  anything to base your statement on or were you just messing w/ us?
  And especially messing up his name, or formerly known as name
  which was later on re-named as Prince?

  Sincerely.
  --ILOOWY
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  Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

  by wobble in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

  from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

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  iloowy

  But "aChristian", listen, if the scientific Big Bang's split of dimensions explains to you how it is possible for God to exist beyond the dimensions we experience... Doesn't this mean that before the big bang he didn't exist? If the dimensions came into existence, what 10 of fortythree whatever seconds or so as you say, then where was God?

  Nope. You can't explain something as unexplainable as God in modern scientific terminology, whether as weird as quantum physics or as fancy cutesy string theory. But don't get me wrong... I'd watch a Nova program on PBS about any of those theories anytime. Hurray for public TV!

  God is God. He had an only-begotten Son, that is Jesus, who was the promised Messiah, the Christ, and he promised to send a helper, Christ died, he was resurrected, he sent the Holy Spirit as helper with which believers are anointed and adopted as sons of God, brothers of Christ who put their faith in his death and resurrection as bringing redemption from sin. That's what I believe.

  I don't know much about modern scientific theories of dimensional realities, but I know that if God wanted to create the Heavens and the Earth with a Big Bang then so be it. If God exists outside of our space/time conscious mind then... May God bless the efforts of those who want to come to an accurate knowledge of Him and His Son. Why not?

  With Christian Love.
  --ILOOWY
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  Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

  by wobble in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

  from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

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  iloowy

  George Bush, meaning The President. (You may subsitute Senator, Prime Minister, etc.)

  I should have stated, "The President is greater than me, however he is not better. I am not inferior to the President. His office/station is undoubtedly greater."

  Sorry for the confusion.

  Ok, so if you meant George Bush as the president well,
  there was another George Bush who also was president.
  One is the father and the other the son. It's not that you
  aren't better or anyone is inferior. It's that they both were
  presidents and you're not... well, yet, anyhow.

  The fact that there have been dozens of Presidents of the
  United States doesn't mean at all that they are all somehow
  united in their different persons in one essence of being.

  The Father is greater. The Son is lesser. Where does that
  leave the Holy Spirit?

  Nowhere in the Scriptures is the idea of a Trinity of three
  divine persons in one Godship clearly stated. If it were a
  central Christian teaching then it would by necessity be
  unequivocally stated somewhere. John 1:1 doesn't say
  anything about three persons, there's only two there.

  And if Jesus indeed died on the cross then was there no
  Trinity for those parts of three days?

  If Jesus went to Hell for those three days what bad did he
  do to get there?

  No, but Jesus did die and was in the grave until he was
  resurrected to life on the third day is what the Scriptures
  say. They never say God was dead... How could that be?
  But Jesus did die, in sacrificial death for the forgiveness
  of sins, as the New Testament teaches. The word Trinity
  is nowhere to be found, in fact the idea would have been
  a blasphemy to the Jews, and they even had a hard time
  with the idea that he was the "Son of God", well, the
  Jewish leaders at the time anyway.

  The Trinity is just a tradition of men trying to rationalize
  their misunderstanding of the true divinity of our Lord and
  Savior, Jesus Christ. That's how I read it. Not that I'd try
  to force my belief on anyone, as a JW I never liked the
  forcefulness of some in combative at the door discussions.
  We can all read a version of the scriptures in our language
  of preference and learn from it... Better yet, study some
  Hebrew and Greek and read from the original languages.

  Studying traditions of men only leads to arguments and
  discussions about nothing worth getting upset about,
  although many do get quite heated about them. If a
  person has a job as a Sociologist or a Theologian,
  well maybe studying traditions could be an interesting
  endeavor, but for wanting to know the truth about the
  Christ why not just read the Bible?

  It must be tough to feel you're misunderstood and if
  I gave you the impression I was harping on any point
  of yours I apologize. I may get a bit cynical about the
  Trinity doctrine because it raises up the feelings of
  being lied to which I went through with the Catholics
  and the WT Society.

  With Christian Love.
  --ILOOWY
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  Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

  by wobble in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

  from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

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  iloowy

  > In your statement above, I believe you are saying, "If Jesus were the Father himself".
  
  
  No, not really, what I was saying is that the Trinity doctrine says they are co-equal,
  eternal and one isn't above the other. Check it out, go to the New Catholic Encyclopedia.
  After all, the Catholics are the ones that started it. ¿Qué no? There's a lot of history
  between Arius and Athanasius that one needs to keep in mind when considering the whole
  Trinity as doctrine issue.
  
  > From a Trinitarian standpoint, Jesus is not the Father. He is the Son.
  > The Father is indeed greater than the Son.
  
  I'm not quite sure if your version of the Trinity is what the official
  Trinity doctrine states... but as one who was raised Catholic can tell
  you... your interpretation doesn't jive with that they (i.e. Trinitarians)
  teach.
  
  
  > It's a matter of position, or office, not of essence.
  > As an example, George Bush is greater than me, but he is not better than me.
  
  
  Ok, well, see, that illustration just convinced me that I'm gonna have a real
  hard time even understanding how you think. George Bush? George Bush?
  Who do you mean... The father George Bush or the Son George Bush (i.e. W.)???
  
  
  > In this light, when I use the term "God", I am referring to three persons, not the Father.
  
  
  Ok, well you see again, if you're talking about Presidents, how do you and the 2
  George Bushes make your illustrative Trinity? Are you their Holy Spirit? Ok... that
  was just a joke. But your explanation isn't making much sense.
  
  
  > (Please, I don't want anyone to misinterpret my comments as promoting the Trinity.
  > Rather, I'm trying to explain it, as best as I can, based upon my studies.
  > This, in contrast to Watchtower, which lied to me about the doctrine.)
  
  
  I really feel for you, I really do. But you are trying to promote the Trinity.
  You say you aren't but by bringing it up you are trying to "teach" and "preach"
  about it on this board. That's how I read it. If I misunderstand you, I apologize.
  
  
  > I agree about the 144,000 as being a symbolic number. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear [...]
  
  
  That's good, we agree on something and that's a good thing, isn't it?
  
  
  > I am in total agreement, regarding Christian Freedom.
  
  
  That's excellent. We're making great strides to agreement on some things. It's good, I think.
  
  
  > I'm personally on a journey to decide exactly what I do believe and whether or not I'm a person of faith.
  
  
  If you read the gospels and put your trust in that what they say is true, then pray about it, and tell others what you've come to believe then that's a wonderful thing.
  
  
  > Upon leaving the JWs, I wanted to understand why mainstream Christianity teaches the Trinity doctrine.
  > If the doctrine is as stupid as WT had led me to believe, it didn't make sense that this teaching
  > persisted for thousands of years.
  
  The belief that the Earth was flat also persisted for a lot of years. But...
  Even the last Pope apologized in a way about the Galileo thing.
  
  
  > [...] One of the more helpful lectures I listened to, was [...]
  > ...waltermartin...
  
  Well, that explains a lot. Walter Martin is quite how can I say...
  very... erhhh... messed up in a doctrinal sort of annoying way, for me.
  
  
  > He's quite a lively speaker, and his knowledge of Greek is impressive.
  
  
  That he is, very lively as you put it. But his pronunciation of Greek stinks,
  judging from what I heard him quote. BTW I can't stand his lofty tone.
  
  
  > [...] and why man Christians believe it.
  
  
  People who call themselves Christians don't seem to agree on what they
  all mean by the word Trinity. There are many different variations
  within the denominations. That should tell you something about it.
  
  
  > [...] It helped remove much of the mystery [...]
  
  
  Yup. That's exactly what I was told as a child. It's a mystery.
  Which reminds me of playing piano.
  
  
  > [...] surrounding what had previously been a belief
  > that I had scorned, without even understanding.
  
  
  I can appreciate your search for truth. It is something we all do.
  We all want to put trust in what is true, not in lies.
  Jesus said he was the truth and the way. That's good enough
  for me. We all need to come to terms with how we feel about the
  WT Society's teachings and sort out the nonsense, filter it out,
  and the strain of it is a very trying experience. Isn't it?
  
  
  I wish you the best for your search of truth and may God, our God,
  bless you with the assurance of faith. Believe what you would believe
  and be sure of it, but always keep testing and proving what you hold
  as your beliefs.
  
  
  With Christian Love.
  --ILOOWY