I think it would be enough to just put a tract in the mail box with an invitation to God's Kingdom and to get a free Bible study. Was not the cavalry of two myriads of myriads explained two symbolize the litterature, in the Revelation Climax-book?
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Why exactly, DO the JWs continue to beat on doors? What is the POINT?
by WuzLovesDubs ini mean...it accomplishes nothing save making them pests all over the planet.
they dont get money from it, not enough to make any damn difference anyway...the magazines are limited to only two a month and they dont do subscriptions any more.
how many people actually are brought in this way?
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Organized or unorganized?
by Wicaugen ina little background.. i've been stumbling with religion over the past year, making a change from agnostic to quasi-christian during the time period, journeying with many jehovah's witnesses, a few baptists, and even two families of evangelicals.. anyway, one of the serious problems i have with the jw's is following the 'governing body'.
you understand, of course.
but i have a more urgent question.
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Yes, organized religion is Biblical. But it should be organized in a balanced way. That means not too much organized and also not too little organized.
In Hebrews 10:24,25 we are told to have meetings. Jesus also told Peter to feed His little sheep. (John 21:17) Jesus also told his apostles to do disciples in Matthew 28:19. So it is evident that there should be some kind of organized activity for christians. But when the shepards in the congregation are evil, hypocrites and refuse to follow the guidelines in the Bible, then this organized worship works badly, like a broken car. And the congregation members suffers. Some new maybe live in an illusion, but soon with increasing understanding of God's will they start to see that there are a lot of problems.
God's and Christ's will is to make the congregation perfect. It will take time. The final result will anyway be according to Ephesians 5: that he might sanctify it, cleansing it with the bath of water by means of the word, 27 that he might present the congregation to himself in its splendor, not having a spot or a wrinkle or any of such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish. (NWT)
Now the congregation arrangement has existed since the first centry and still it has not attaind the beauty and slendor, so surely it will take a lot of time to fullfill the purpose.
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Kosonen
Hi gubberningbody,
I strongly support you in reading the Bible all over again with open mind. Me too, when I realized that I can not trust the WT-explanations, I decided to do that. But to avoid to come to wrong conclusions myself, I every day pray the thoughts in the Lord's prayer in Matthew 6:9-13 and additional thoughts. I wish you succes in you personal Bible study.
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Some years ago we stayed with my family to clean the hall after the memorial and we tasted the bread and wine. It was a special joy!
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I'll go and I hope they won't deny me the bread and wine. Last year after my disfellowshiping I went and took from the bread and wine. I think they got disturbed. But Jesus said: Take you all.
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If you no longer believe why do you still go?
by Quirky1 injust a question i have to throw out.
i'm curious to say the least.
when i could no longer believe the bs i made up my damn mind and left and have yet to return.
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Kosonen
First of all I pray before going to the meeting that Jesus as the Head of the congregation would be present directing the speaker and those giving comments by the holy spirit. It has really a real effect. I like it.
I would be very interested in hearing more about this, if you're willing to provide more details.
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Hi LWT,
When I do that, then the meeting gets much more spiritual. The speakers speak glowing with the spirit. And they say things from their heart. They are unable to speak in a hypocritical way. They say things that are true in which they believe and forget the official society policy. Sometimes they say very contradictory things. Or they even openly critcize old society rules. For example recently speakers have said in their public talks how good it has been to get rid of a meeting per week because it was realy burdensome. The same happens with those giving comments.
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If you no longer believe why do you still go?
by Quirky1 injust a question i have to throw out.
i'm curious to say the least.
when i could no longer believe the bs i made up my damn mind and left and have yet to return.
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I still go once a week, sometimes twice. I do not see to it in black and white. I do not require all to be white. I think I still get some spirituality from there. But I want also to see how they are changing. And I believe I can do a great deal by praying for them. If my prayers are in harmony with God's will, then according to 1John 2:22; 5:14,15 God will do according to my prayers. First of all I pray before going to the meeting that Jesus as the Head of the congregation would be present directing the speaker and those giving comments by the holy spirit. It has really a real effect. I like it.
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WT description of getting anointed
by Kosonen inthe article "who.
reallyhaveaheavenly calling?
" watchtower 91 3/15, pages 19-22 have a description of how the anointing process happens.
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The article "Who
ReallyHaveaHeavenlyCalling?" Watchtower 91 3/15, pages 19-22 have a description of how the anointing process happens. Here are some parts of that article:
The 144,000 "have an anointing from the holy one," Jehovah. (1 John 2:20) It is an anointing to a heavenly hope. God has ‘put his seal upon them and has given them the token of what is to come, that is, the spirit, in their hearts.’—2 Corinthians 1:21, 22.
Yes, those with the heavenly calling have the testimony of God’s spirit to that effect. Concerning this, Paul wrote at Romans 8:15-17: "You did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: ‘Abba, Father!’ The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ, provided we suffer together that we may also be glorified together." It is by means of God’s spirit, or active force, that anointed ones cry out, "Abba, Father!"
The chief evidence that a person has been anointed to the heavenly calling is a spirit, or dominant sense, of sonship. (Galatians 4:6, 7) Such an individual is absolutely sure that he has been begotten by God to spiritual sonship as one of the 144,000 joint heirs of the heavenly Kingdom. He can testify that his heavenly hope is not his own cultivated desire or his imagination; rather, it is from Jehovah as a result of the action of God’s spirit toward him.—1 Peter 1:3, 4.
Under the influence of God’s holy spirit, the spirit, or dominant attitude, of anointed ones acts as an impelling force. It moves them to respond positively to what God’s Word says about the heavenly hope. They also respond in a positive way to Jehovah’s dealings with them by means of the holy spirit. Thus, they are sure that they are God’s spiritual children and heirs.
When anointed ones read what God’s Word says about his spiritual children and the heavenly hope, their spontaneous inclination is to say within themselves, ‘This means me!’ Yes, they respond joyfully when their Father’s Word promises a heavenly reward. They say, ‘That means me!’ when they read: "Beloved ones, now we are children of God." (1 John 3:2) And when anointed ones read that God has brought people forth "to be certain firstfruits of his creatures," their mental inclination is to respond, ‘Yes, he brought me forth for that purpose.’ (James 1:18) They know that they have been "baptized into Christ Jesus" and into his death. (Romans 6:3) So they have the firm conviction of being part of Christ’s spiritual body and entertain the hope of undergoing a death like his and being resurrected to heavenly life.
Futher down in the article it says:
If Jehovah has cultivated in you the undeniable hope of heavenly life, you are counting on that. You offer prayers in expression of that hope. It engrosses you, and you cannot get it out of your system. You have consuming spiritual aspirations.
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To The Christians On This Here Board
by snowbird ini really appreciate your expressions of faith and your calm, rational demeanor amidst the heckling and baiting that often erupt on here.. some of you have been in the wt, others of you may not have even seen the inside of a kh.. my question, how do you maintain your sense of balance when things get really heated?.
i know prayer, meditation, and endurance are the hallmarks of being christian, but do you ever get tired of it all?.
please, i'm being very sincere here.. thanks to all.. sylvia.
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I every morning pray Jehovah God give me holy spirit that it might calm down me during the day. I have remarked that it helps a lot.
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Newly "annointed"...
by lurk3r inthese ones who are in the organization that are "newly" annointed, it would seem they are kinda screwing things up for the gb and the society.
heard of what "spiritual" experience these ones go through, to have them identify themselves as such?
do all the "144,00" go through similar experiences.
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Here are some material I copied with experiences of anointment
It was a special spiritual experience. I was in the kitchen alone. All in may family were sleeping. I think I was praying or was it that I was meditating on spiritual matters. I had my eyes closed and it felt like I was lifted up from the floor. I did not open the eyes but I think I remained on the floor. Just a feeling of flying up to heaven to the presence of our heavenly Father. It felt like he was by my side behind me may be about 5 meters. There I was flouting in the space. At that moment or was it shortly afterward, I was like looking down on earth, on the green gras and treas and all got gray before my eyes. I felt like I lost my connection to the paradise hope. There I was looking down on earth and I felt that I am loosing my connection to earth. Then the vision stoped and I opened my eyes, and I was back on earth. I wanted to stay in that vision, or it to be repeated, but it haven't. But it was nice, I liked it. From that time on ward I started to expect that I'll be anointed. I did not understand that this was the anointing. But the desire to be in paradise disappeared. Then always hearing or reading about God's kingdom I unwillingly was paused in breathing and taking a deep breath. The more I doubted the more something squeezed my heart when I encountered scriptures concerning the anointed in my personal Bible reading. Just before the anointing I had read through all the Bible in about 3 months. Then I started to read it once again and where apostle Paul writes "we". Before I automatically made the conclusion that he refers to the anointed and not to me. But after my anointing, rereading these passages felt so familiar, like he is meaning me personally. So all this built up a confidence in me that the holy spirit is telling me that I have been adopted to be God's spiritual son. When I finaly got convinced, then almost all such testimonies of the holy spirit ceased. Propaply because I am already convinced and therefore there is not a need to convince me again. But these testimonies happened surely hundreds of times reading the Bible, because the matter is touched so often in the Bible.
Actually the Watchtower explains that the holy spirit affects the anointed in that way when they read scriptures that talk about them.Next is of a brother who was in fulltime service for long times. In his life story he tells how he got anointed, it is a interesting and quite long story.
http://www.perimeno.ca/DoesGod.htm
The next article is written by a former Jehovah's witness missionary, who confesses to be anointed and he tells some experiences of other anointed.
http://members.shaw.ca/homechristian/docs/articles/FaithfulandDiscreetSlave.htm
8. The calling of each one seems to be radically different, one from another. Several people, some personally known by me, have had unique experiences which can best be described as the ‘promptings’ of God’s holy spirit. Two of these were on the verge of suicide, but after they prayed, (in both cases) they sensed an inner peace, a reassuring calmness that came over them. On the following day, they (each, separately) had the unexpected visit of a Christian to encourage them, and to study the Bible with them. Another unique example is that of a young man who had just returned from the military. He was not a Christian, but out of curiosity he went (with some of his friends) to a ‘Billy Graham’ Crusade. On his way to the platform, God’s divine plan of salvation "flashed before his eyes." None of his friends shared this experience. It was unique to him. Some time later, he got a Bible and began to read it, but could not understand what he was reading. And so he prayed about it. Shortly thereafter, he came across a book, (Divine Plan of the Ages), by C. T. Russell, and to his great amazement and utter surprise, its contents were exactly what had "flashed before his eyes" a few years before.
Two other examples are of persons who had been Christians for many years. One day, each one felt touched by God’s holy spirit, and realized it meant a relationship with God, (i.e., son-ship).
Yet another example is that of my wife. As a young woman, she felt overwhelmed by life’s difficult experiences and regularly went to a nearby hill to meditate and pray. "One day, suddenly," she relates: "I felt surrounded by God’s love, reassuring me that he really cares for me." My own situation is that, from a very young lad, I have always felt very close to God. But when I understood what a relationship with him really meant, it was only then that my feelings of being God’s son were confirmed to me by his spirit.