Posts by Kosonen

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Humility

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

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when discussing doubts/concerns/disagreements about wt doctrines/practices with active jws, have any of you ever been accused of not being humble enough?

this seems to be a common jw reaction to anyone who disagrees/questions the wt society.

sometimes it is expressed as do you think you know more than the fds?

Kosonen

What you say sounds and is very right. I was also accused of not being humble.

But consider what Jesus said: But from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it. (Matthew 11:12)

So according to Jesus you have to press forward. You can just sit and what for the WT-society if you want to enter the Kingdom of God.

Then they missaply 2John 9 -11:

Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. He that does remain in this teaching is the one that has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to YOU and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.

The scripture talks about the teaching of the Christ, it does not say the teaching of the Watchtower or the "Governing Body". The Bible should be the authority to all associated to the Watchtower-society, but when there is a contradicion between the WT and the Bible the JW:s chose the WT.

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Link to pdf download of Flock book

by besty in

http://wikileaks.org/leak/pay-attention-to-yourselves-and-all-the-flock-1991.pdf.

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Kosonen

Here is a webversion: http://www.angelfire.com/mo/flockbook/

On page 94 it reads:

Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and
speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught
by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates.

So does it mean that every witness can have his own verson of the truth? Just kidding. When they write "contrary to Bible truth as taught
by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates". They mean as taught by the Governing Body. But why did they not write it plainly? May be they where little bit embarrased to say that plainly.

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Illegal meetings busted

by rebel8 in

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secret place of banned christian religious sect members discovered in gandja .

[10 apr 2009 15:12].

gandja.

Kosonen

It sounds like a former Soviet republic in Kaukasus, with mainly muslim population.

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Anyone from Sweden here?

by AlexHall in

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hi.. im new to the posting-part of this forum and was wondering if there s any other ex-witnesses from sweden in here?.

i v been reading a lot of the topics here and i have to admit it have helped me to start seeing the bigger picture.

it took almost a whole year as a ex-borg before i grew the courage to start reading "apostate" information.

Kosonen

Hi Alex,

I'm living in Sweden. On an other forum http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/ you can find in the memberlist me Jan Kosonen and about 25 threads/articles about my personal Bible study results. If you like to contact me: [email protected]

Brotherly greetings Jan

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The Rapid oncoming time of the end part 1

by Homerovah the Almighty in

to the student of ignorance and fear mongering : regarding your proclamation of the end times.. the point is the select signs of the times of the gt as written in the bible could be placed well in any moment of human history.

for last 2000 years and even be placed with greater accuracy in the middle ages, so when someone reads information from apocalyptic religious.

cults like the jws who are trying to superimpose fear into people so they will react in the way they want them to react, hence it pays to analise.

Kosonen

Hi Bible Student,

I sincerely appreciated your personal Bible study results. I have come to very simmilar results myself, and I have been looking if somebody else could come to similar conclusions. And I am happy that you have. For example I understand, like you that there will come 2 prophets with miraculous powers, like you wrote.

But I expect that all this will happen when it has been preached much more in China, India and in the muslim countries.

It might take decades or even more than 100 years. During that time true Jews, (anointed) with the help of other people could get the opportunity to build the temple of the vision of Ezekiel. And then earthly Jerusalem would become the centre of true worship. But by some time it would again partially apostacy and the 2 prophets would be killed there in the end of their 42 months prophecying.

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Advice Please!!!!

by nevergonnab1 in

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i'm new here so i'll give a little background first.. i've never been a witness and i'll never be one.

my husband is but he hasn't been to any functions in about 15 years, i guess if he did start attending again he would be df'd because he impregnated a "worldly" girl (me) out of wedlock and then married a "worldly" girl (me again).. i need advice because his family relentlessly asks my children to attend and bribes them with very extravagant gifts.

i won't allow them to go so they stay pissed at me because they don't get the gifts.

Kosonen

Not all what Jehovah's witnesses teach is bad. Take from them what is good and leave what is bad.

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Can I get help with a question

by free2beme in

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can anyone provide the link of watchtower year and month, that mentions that the resurrected jehovah's witnesses (all resurrected) will not be able to marry again.

as they will no longer have a desire for marriage..

Kosonen

When I was at pioneers school in 1992, the school instructors told us that we have no clair understanding in this matter. But at a district assembly about 1 or 2 years ago in the theocratic school part, a sister commented on the highlights about ressurection and said that Jesus clairly stated that in the ressurection no body gets married.

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'Just as important as the preaching work' question. Please respond.

by compound complex in

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a thread regarding the wt view of the importance of good works, whose title i cannot recall, was posted not too long ago.

there has been talk locally about a watchtower that equates these acts of charity with the preaching work.

is that a correct interpretation of present truth?.

Kosonen

Through this link you can find brother James' scans of that article, that clearly states that you can not say that preaching would be more important than helpful actions for fellow christians.

http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2656

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Why exactly, DO the JWs continue to beat on doors? What is the POINT?

by WuzLovesDubs in

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i mean...it accomplishes nothing save making them pests all over the planet.

they dont get money from it, not enough to make any damn difference anyway...the magazines are limited to only two a month and they dont do subscriptions any more.

how many people actually are brought in this way?

Kosonen

I think it would be enough to just put a tract in the mail box with an invitation to God's Kingdom and to get a free Bible study. Was not the cavalry of two myriads of myriads explained two symbolize the litterature, in the Revelation Climax-book?

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Organized or unorganized?

by Wicaugen in

a little background.. i've been stumbling with religion over the past year, making a change from agnostic to quasi-christian during the time period, journeying with many jehovah's witnesses, a few baptists, and even two families of evangelicals.. anyway, one of the serious problems i have with the jw's is following the 'governing body'.

you understand, of course.

but i have a more urgent question.

Kosonen

Yes, organized religion is Biblical. But it should be organized in a balanced way. That means not too much organized and also not too little organized.

In Hebrews 10:24,25 we are told to have meetings. Jesus also told Peter to feed His little sheep. (John 21:17) Jesus also told his apostles to do disciples in Matthew 28:19. So it is evident that there should be some kind of organized activity for christians. But when the shepards in the congregation are evil, hypocrites and refuse to follow the guidelines in the Bible, then this organized worship works badly, like a broken car. And the congregation members suffers. Some new maybe live in an illusion, but soon with increasing understanding of God's will they start to see that there are a lot of problems.

God's and Christ's will is to make the congregation perfect. It will take time. The final result will anyway be according to Ephesians 5: that he might sanctify it, cleansing it with the bath of water by means of the word, 27 that he might present the congregation to himself in its splendor, not having a spot or a wrinkle or any of such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish. (NWT)

Now the congregation arrangement has existed since the first centry and still it has not attaind the beauty and slendor, so surely it will take a lot of time to fullfill the purpose.