Posts by Kosonen

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How Would You Answer

by turtleturtle in

a brother once explained away 1975 by saying "jehovah changed his mind about the ninevites, didn't he?

did that mean he was a false prophet?

how would you answer that?.

Kosonen

I would said: I don't think Jehovah was involved in 1975 issue.

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When a JW realizes they're anointed, are they supposed to tell the elders?

by Badfish in

when a jw believes they are anointed, are they supposed to tell the elders, or do they keep silent and just partake of the emblems at the memorial?.

Kosonen

I told them, but they did not believe. If you have a sincere biblical question, ill be happy to try to give you an answer. After I got anointed I can confirm the truthfullness of 1John 2:27:

As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

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Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?

by Zagor Almanah in

is the jehovah's witness religion christian?the answer to the question is, "no.

it is not christian.

" like all non-christian cults, the jehovah's witness organization distorts the essential doctrines of christianity.

Kosonen

If you say JW is not christian, what in the bible say other churches are better? All churches are in essence the same as JW. There is a heirachy everywhere. JW are not worse than for example Catholics or mormons. The leaders of all churches are the same stubborn. They are like the scribes and pharisees. And you attacking jw are you your self a good christian?

Where in the bible is it said that you should believe in trinity to be a christian?

If you believe Jesus is the Christ and try to keep his commandments, aren't you already a christian?

What value is the Nicene Creed? I see nothing! It was a invented dogma hundreds of years after the apostles. Why ever should we care about it? Better read a good portion of the Bible everyday than listening someone explaining it to you. Your teacher could even misslead you. If a blind leads a blind, both will fall into the pit.

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Why judgment is to begin at the house of God?

by Kosonen in

" for the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of god: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of god?

and if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?

"- 1peter4:17-18. why for god to judge his own house?

Kosonen

Unstopableravens,

I'll give you a short answer. There are tons of scriptures that form my understading. So I can not disregard them. And therefor I do not believe the meaning of your sciptures is correctly presented. I suppose you have read the Bible from cover to cover many times and that you also know all the scriptures supporting my understanding. Or may be you have only studied publications presenting why you should believe that Jesus is Jehovah? And similar false teachings common in the churches?

I am not interested to debate endlessly. Until now there are propably not even two thinking christians that could agree on the truth 100%. At the jw they are forced to follow the GB in every detail. So the unity is not genuin. And outside I have not met two christians agreeing even nearly 100% on what is the true meaning of different Bible questions.

I could continue to debate with everyone on different subjects. So, unfortunately there is no oneness in the truth, a thing Jesus wishes from his disciples.

But I believe when Jesus comes to clean us with fire and soap, sincere christians will find unity and truth.

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Why judgment is to begin at the house of God?

by Kosonen in

" for the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of god: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of god?

and if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?

"- 1peter4:17-18. why for god to judge his own house?

Kosonen

" For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?"- 1Peter4:17-18

Why for God to judge his own house? Simply because His house needs a real clean up and renovation.

All christians are in different ways walking in error. And nothing but tribulation can promt them to examin themselves and bring themselves in order for eternal life.

Why for example are the christians in muslim countries diminishing and oppressed more and more without anyone helping? The Muslim Brotherhood is gaining control in one country after an other in the middle east instead of more liberal governors towards christians.

Must be the worship of the christians in the middle east is displeasing to God. And they are not listening to those who try to correct them. The first thing they should learn is that there is no trinity. But they refuse to repent from this false teaching originating from the Devil. So the best thing now is to let them come to tribulation. At least some will open their minds and hearts, when they will ask why God is not blessing them.

But the same awaits christians in the "free" western world, where chistians still kling to trinity and other false teachings. Not a single church or organization teaches the pure truth to their members. Every leadership suppresses the truth. So they all need tribulation. And that's what waits them. And YOU. I understand Malachi is talking about it. And Daniel tells about the horrific results for chistians.:

Malachi 3:1-3: “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness,

Daniel 7:21: As I watched, this horn was waging war against the holy people and defeating them, until the Ancient of Days came...

25: He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

So all you there, trinitarians and others, prepare yourself for refining of your mind and heart.

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new thinking after reading Collosians

by Honeybucket in

i read the book of collosians and now im really not sure whether the trinity concept is completely false.

maybe i need to read non-jw bible to make my decision.

even the nwt seemed to support the jesus was a manifestation of god to help mankind.

Kosonen

I am tired to answer to all your questions back, I did as good as I could to defend the truth about the supremacy of the God Father Jehovah, and I do not find anything bad continuing using this pronunciation of Gods name. Even Jesus is not pronunced exactly.

And to those who think I am still in the wt-org, I can tell the jws regard me apostate. But what was true I continue to believe but what was false I reject openly.

And I do not waist my energy making a long list of scriptures to defend the truth, and I don't waist my time to try to debunk the false reasoning and twisting the true meaning of the scriptuers you bring to defend your twisted understanding of God, Jesus and the holy spirit.

Twisting the true meaning of the holy scriptures is nothing new. It was done by the Pharisees and the scribes and later those labeled antichrists by the apostles.

There will come one day when the weeds are separated from the wheat. Till then the antitrinitarians have to bear the trinitarians. No wonder that Jesus said that few are those finding the way to eternal life. And the anti trinitarians are in minority. So that already should make you doubt about the trinity doctrine, which diminishes the supremacy of the God Father Jehovah. Fear Jehovah, for he will remember and bring to account, all those who try to diminish His supremacy, and turn away their love and attention from Him to his son Jesus. Of course we should love Jesus also and to be thankful to him too. But all what has been done has been done on the initiative of the Father Jehovah. So He is the Boss, and Jesus is His follower and worker, even slave.

Yoiu can call Jesus a god or Eternal Father or what ever quoting the Bible, but these titles does not change the heirarchy/power structure in heaven, where Jehovah is the most important, the most powerfull, He who deserves most of our love, devotion, thankfulnes.

The true issue is not dogma or doctrine, but the issue is who is most important for you? Because Jehovah requires that He is in the first place because His has the right to it.

It is said God loved the world so much that He sent his son to the world. So you should first of all be thankul to the God. And secondly you should be thankful to Jesus that he was willing to do this. But you love for the Father should surpass your love for Jesus.

That's excactly what the trinity idea tries to prevent. It is a personal attack on the Father. And this trinity therefor originates from the Devil, whose first enemy is The Father. He even is ready to magnify Jesus on the cost of the Father.

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new thinking after reading Collosians

by Honeybucket in

i read the book of collosians and now im really not sure whether the trinity concept is completely false.

maybe i need to read non-jw bible to make my decision.

even the nwt seemed to support the jesus was a manifestation of god to help mankind.

Kosonen

Perry,

For the Allmighty God Jehovah, there is no reason to make Jesus His son to be equal to Himself. Jehovah could if he wanted in his unlimited power do many things, but He has reasons not to use all his possibilities what ever ways. Thanks to His patience we still live. If he had wanted to use his unlimited power to have a perfect world we would not exist today.

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new thinking after reading Collosians

by Honeybucket in

i read the book of collosians and now im really not sure whether the trinity concept is completely false.

maybe i need to read non-jw bible to make my decision.

even the nwt seemed to support the jesus was a manifestation of god to help mankind.

Kosonen

Pterist,

Now colosians 1:15 (American standard version) says about Jesus: who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

First of all image is not the original,

Second, Jesus was the firstborn of all creation. So he was created by his Father and this creation is also called birth here.

So here already you should see that the Father was before the Son. There is now reason to call some one son if he is not a son???

Third, The STUFF doesn't matter anything, just as we are from the dust it does not make us equal or eternal.

Forth, Jesus teaches us how to love above all (inclusively himself) Jehovah God, Jesus set the example for us how to have exclusive devotion for Jehovah. How to be submissive to Jehovah God. That's why we come to Jehovah God through Jesus. Jesus is the guide to the Father.

But you all trinitarians seem not to wish to come to the Father. You rather distort the understanding of Jesus, to have an excuse to not go futher to the Father.

Fifth, The concept withe temple does not prove Jesus to be superior the Father or equal, because all christians are called to be the temple of God where he dwells will His spirit.

Sixth, I don't think Jehovah likes to celebrate birthdays. Stupid celebration for pagans.

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wear a cross for protection

by Honeybucket in

jw
friends

the holy cross will protect you from vampires and jehovahs witnesses.

Kosonen

There is no holy cross!

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new thinking after reading Collosians

by Honeybucket in

i read the book of collosians and now im really not sure whether the trinity concept is completely false.

maybe i need to read non-jw bible to make my decision.

even the nwt seemed to support the jesus was a manifestation of god to help mankind.

Kosonen

Black Sheep,

Don't you know better???

Don't you know Church history??

Have you never talked to a priest?

Have you never been preaching?

I went 3 weeks ago to a local Catholic church to see and hear how they preach. After the service I stayed to talk with a neigbour that was there and then I could talk with the priest also. So, I told him little about my history, and he at once asked if I believe in the trinity? I told that I believe in Jesus the son of God . He then wanted to know if I believed that Jesus is equal to God? I told him: No, is it a problem? He was polite and we continued our discussion on other matters.

I can tell you the very first thing a priest have to learn to believe in is the Athanasian Creed. And it is just this stupid garbage definition of the trinity they put down the throat the priest students. Google what is this Athanasian Creed containing the trinity if you are not convinced with the following quote frome Wikipedia:

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Essence of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Essence of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood by God. One altogether; not by confusion of Essence; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of the God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.