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  The Governing Body is stealing Ray Franz's ideas

  by JimmyPage in

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  2. friends

  on page 267 of "crisis of conscience" ray franz made the observation that the '95 new light on "generation" came shortly after he described what the governing body needed to make the doctrine continue to work.

  my copy of his book came out before this year's "new light" on "the generation".

  however, on page 265 of ray's book another possible "out" for the society is given.

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  As I've understud from the Bible the generation begins with the time called "the conclusion of system of things" but I don't think we have come to the conclusion yet. I think the generation has to do with 42 months in Daniel 12 and Revelation 12. I have some more information on my website www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers
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  The drama was about me!

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was today at the assembly and the drama was inspired by my story.

  i was pictured as the former elder who influences badly on the congregation by saing "now when it has been so widely preached in our territory it is time to concentrate on helping poor people.

  then back to sweden to the russian group where i was about 7 years.

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  I did not get any reply from the Society. My congregation elders did not either get any reply. Then in March I invited 2 elders to me at home. I wanted to show them what the Bible really teaches and I wanted that we together write to the Society but they of course did not agree, but said if I tell somebody about these things they will inmediately disfellowship me. But I said to them I will continue to spread the truth. And I did it before and after the meetings at our Kingdom Hall. And a week before the Memorial they disfellowshiped me. I think many of them understud that the WT-society have false ideas. One elder said: May be you are right in all, but you are not allowed to speak about it, before it comes in the WT. Un other said: Even if what you say comes in the WT, do you think we will take you back? Then soon at the circuit assembly our circut oversee said in his speach someting like this: The ideas of apostates are very dangerous, it is very easy to believe them. And now at the district convention one said some thing like: It seems that the apostates can stike with what ever. And he sounded helpless. But I don't think I am an apostate. When the elders asked me if I think I am an apostate, I said to them that apostle Paul said that apostates are those who say the resurrection has already begun. But I do not claim the resurrection has begun. I think they understud who teaches that a resurrection has begun. I hope they will stop to do that.
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  The drama was about me!

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was today at the assembly and the drama was inspired by my story.

  i was pictured as the former elder who influences badly on the congregation by saing "now when it has been so widely preached in our territory it is time to concentrate on helping poor people.

  then back to sweden to the russian group where i was about 7 years.

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  I was today at the assembly and the drama was inspired by my story. I was pictured as the former elder who influences badly on the congregation by saing "Now when it has been so widely preached in our territory it is time to concentrate on helping poor people. Here is my letter to the Governing Body in December 2007, wich inspired the drama: The letter i wrote: To the Governing Body From Jan Kosonen Dear brothers, I would like to share my knowledge and skills with you, to encrease The Lord's properties and his servant's joy. I am 33 years old. I work as a carpenter. I'm married. My wife is 34 years old. We have 4 children, 2 boys and 2 girls. I left school after 9 years elementary school, became a pioneer when I was 15 years old, I was pioneer for 5 years. I grew up in a finnish congregation in Sweden. When I became a pioneer I started to join the english-speeking congregation. Later I became a member there and a ministerial servant. When I was 19 I went to Latvia in 1994. I had saved money and studied russian for 10 months. I was there for a year and some months. Then 3 months in Estonia. Then a year in the russian group in Sweden. Then back to Latvia for a year and a half. Then back to Sweden to the russian group where I was about 7 years. During that time I have conducted bookstudy groups, had a lot of programs at meetings, translated assembly and meeting programs to russian, had I think all kind of practical assignments for ministerial servants, also had some responsibilities that elders usualy have. I have also had a joy to find an intrested person and to study the bible with him and he got baptised after 6 months and he became a pioneer after a short while. Now he is back in Russia. And my oldest daughter is also a publisher, she is 11 years old. I have always tried to help people, so for about two years different people and a family have lived with us in our 3 room apartment. I have helped serval persons to get a work at my wordly bosses smal company. 6 of them work there now and they have helped 5 others to join us. So now we are 12 of wich 6 are baptised brothers, 5 intrested, 1 may be intrested. Now I am in a Swedish congregation, named Skärholmen, and recently i became convinced that I have got the heavenly call, and become anointed with the holy spirit. For 3 years ago I was unemployed and I used the free time in Jehovah's service. I read the bible through in about 3,5 months and I got a real spiritual uplift. I became able to prepare to all meeting programs, read all the litterature. It was for the first time in my life I managed to do that. It felt like I had understud and learnt for 3 months more than I had for 17 years before that since my baptism. But I was worried how I would continue to pray and read the Bible 10 pages a day when I get a work, and not to lose that spiritual level. Then I got different works and I could not continue with the same spiritual program, not until now for approximately a months. When I was unemployed I even checked all the scriptures when I prepared for the meetings. But now when I prepare to the meetings with my family I can not check so many scriptures. But now when I have been studing the bible so intensly by prayer, Jehovah has open my eyes to understand many things more deeply and more exaclty, and I would like to share with you with the increasing knowlege, so that all God's people could rejoice in understanding more and know how to do God's will more productively, increasing His intrests on earth. I would like to wright to You about themes like: Establishment of Gods kingdom Great tribulation Time of heavenly resurection Earthly Jerusalem Man of Lawlessness, Anticrist Womens role at meetings Families importance in last days How to plan your life for young people How to increase bible knowledge and love for Jehova God and Jesus Crist. How to make preaching and meeting programs more effective to reach the gools for them. The role of anointed brothers and sisters in God's congregation And other themes I would also be happy to be invited to work at the headquarters with you to give spiritual food to God's people and to do practical works. Of course I can not leave my family so they would need to come with me. I wish You Jehovah God's blessing your brother Jan Kosonen I wrote them in March and April 2008 six more letters with different subjects. Also about doing fine works and helping people instead of too much preaching. On my website you can find these subjects www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers
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  The drama was about me!

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was today at the assembly and the drama was inspired by my story.

  i was pictured as the former elder who influences badly on the congregation by saing "now when it has been so widely preached in our territory it is time to concentrate on helping poor people.

  then back to sweden to the russian group where i was about 7 years.

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  Kosonen

  I was today at the assembly and the drama was inspired by my story. I was pictured as the former elder who influences badly on the congregation by saing "Now when it has been so widely preached in our territory it is time to concentrate on helping poor people. Here is my letter to the Governing Body in December 2007, wich inspired the drama: The letter i wrote: To the Governing Body From Jan Kosonen Dear brothers, I would like to share my knowledge and skills with you, to encrease The Lord's properties and his servant's joy. I am 33 years old. I work as a carpenter. I'm married. My wife is 34 years old. We have 4 children, 2 boys and 2 girls. I left school after 9 years elementary school, became a pioneer when I was 15 years old, I was pioneer for 5 years. I grew up in a finnish congregation in Sweden. When I became a pioneer I started to join the english-speeking congregation. Later I became a member there and a ministerial servant. When I was 19 I went to Latvia in 1994. I had saved money and studied russian for 10 months. I was there for a year and some months. Then 3 months in Estonia. Then a year in the russian group in Sweden. Then back to Latvia for a year and a half. Then back to Sweden to the russian group where I was about 7 years. During that time I have conducted bookstudy groups, had a lot of programs at meetings, translated assembly and meeting programs to russian, had I think all kind of practical assignments for ministerial servants, also had some responsibilities that elders usualy have. I have also had a joy to find an intrested person and to study the bible with him and he got baptised after 6 months and he became a pioneer after a short while. Now he is back in Russia. And my oldest daughter is also a publisher, she is 11 years old. I have always tried to help people, so for about two years different people and a family have lived with us in our 3 room apartment. I have helped serval persons to get a work at my wordly bosses smal company. 6 of them work there now and they have helped 5 others to join us. So now we are 12 of wich 6 are baptised brothers, 5 intrested, 1 may be intrested. Now I am in a Swedish congregation, named Skärholmen, and recently i became convinced that I have got the heavenly call, and become anointed with the holy spirit. For 3 years ago I was unemployed and I used the free time in Jehovah's service. I read the bible through in about 3,5 months and I got a real spiritual uplift. I became able to prepare to all meeting programs, read all the litterature. It was for the first time in my life I managed to do that. It felt like I had understud and learnt for 3 months more than I had for 17 years before that since my baptism. But I was worried how I would continue to pray and read the Bible 10 pages a day when I get a work, and not to lose that spiritual level. Then I got different works and I could not continue with the same spiritual program, not until now for approximately a months. When I was unemployed I even checked all the scriptures when I prepared for the meetings. But now when I prepare to the meetings with my family I can not check so many scriptures. But now when I have been studing the bible so intensly by prayer, Jehovah has open my eyes to understand many things more deeply and more exaclty, and I would like to share with you with the increasing knowlege, so that all God's people could rejoice in understanding more and know how to do God's will more productively, increasing His intrests on earth. I would like to wright to You about themes like: Establishment of Gods kingdom Great tribulation Time of heavenly resurection Earthly Jerusalem Man of Lawlessness, Anticrist Womens role at meetings Families importance in last days How to plan your life for young people How to increase bible knowledge and love for Jehova God and Jesus Crist. How to make preaching and meeting programs more effective to reach the gools for them. The role of anointed brothers and sisters in God's congregation And other themes I would also be happy to be invited to work at the headquarters with you to give spiritual food to God's people and to do practical works. Of course I can not leave my family so they would need to come with me. I wish You Jehovah God's blessing your brother Jan Kosonen I wrote them in March and April 2008 six more letters with different subjects. Also about doing fine works and helping people instead of too much preaching. On my website you can find these subjects www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers
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  Reflections on the assembly - please help!!!!

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good morning,.

  one of the two district assemblies was this past weekend in hampton va and my wife was very excited to attend, but she only attended about 1.5 hours on friday and then i attended the morning session with her on saturday.

  not sure how these number compare with past years, but about 5200 folks were in attendance (by their count) and it appeared that about 20 folks were going to be baptized.. here are couple of my thoughts on what i heard, i kept notes, but they were in my wife's binder, so was unable to grab them this morning.. most of the speakers i heard slammed higher education....and they tried to tie that back to the bible, that was sort of a reach if you ask me...wasn't luke involved with medicine in some way??.

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  Kosonen

  You can pick up scriptural arguments from my page www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers on subjects as education, money and more.
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  How do you now interpret the Lord’s Prayer?

  by still wondering in

  1. watchtower
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  for those of you that have survived and come through the great tribulation of having been a member of the wts and still have a faith in god, how do you now interpret the lords prayer?.

  just what do you think jesus meant when he said "thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?.

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  Kosonen

  God's will to take place in heaven? That's first of all that Satan would be cleansed out from there. I believe he is not yet thrown down. Then to begin the heavenly ressurection. I do not believe it has yet begun. God's kingdom to begun it's reign from heaven. That's what we should ask for. The problem still is I believe, Jehovah God has not yet could take from every nation anointed slaves to be kings. So we can ask him change the world so that the good news could be preached in all the world. If you like see my webpage www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers and you will find bible-based answers on many things.
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  The Great Tribulation?

  by Blueblades in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  besides talking about the great tribulation and using it to scare the rank and file that it is coming real soon, when was the last watchtower study that dealt with this subject in - depth?.

  i think it was somewhere in the nineties.

  anyone remember and know when the watchtower did an in - depth study on this teaching?.

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  I like the oldiest expanations to the GT. It's funny that they thougth that the great tribulation started when they believe Satan was hurled down to earth, in the beginning of WW1. This is similar as I think now, the only difference that I don't believe Satan has been throw yet to earth. But it will happen of course sometimes in the future.
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  The Great Tribulation?

  by Blueblades in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  besides talking about the great tribulation and using it to scare the rank and file that it is coming real soon, when was the last watchtower study that dealt with this subject in - depth?.

  i think it was somewhere in the nineties.

  anyone remember and know when the watchtower did an in - depth study on this teaching?.

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  Kosonen

  I believe the generation-time begins with the great tribulation. Satan is hurled down for a short period of time. Revelation 12 and Daniel talks about 1260 days and those who arrive to 1335:th will be happy. So, the generation will be short.
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  The Great Tribulation?

  by Blueblades in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  besides talking about the great tribulation and using it to scare the rank and file that it is coming real soon, when was the last watchtower study that dealt with this subject in - depth?.

  i think it was somewhere in the nineties.

  anyone remember and know when the watchtower did an in - depth study on this teaching?.

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  Kosonen

  I believe the great tribulation will come when Satan will be hurled to earth. It will be 3 and half years of very tuff times. Many anointed will be killed. The woman (a great croud with some anointed will be in the wilderness) Then shortly afterward the battle at Armageddon occures. But there are many great prophecies wich must be fullfilled before that. On my website you can find more detailed information about it. www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers
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  How do you now interpret the Lord’s Prayer?

  by still wondering in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of you that have survived and come through the great tribulation of having been a member of the wts and still have a faith in god, how do you now interpret the lords prayer?.

  just what do you think jesus meant when he said "thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?.

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  Kosonen

  I was tought since childhood that JWS do not pray Lord's prayer, because we are not allowed to repeat the same thing over and over again. They have said we should not anymore pray that His will take place in heaven because it has already taken place there. So infact they do not want you pray this prayer. They want everybody stop pray this prayer. What will be the result? If all stop pray this prayer, this prayer will not be answered, God's will will not take place, His Kingdom will not come, His name will not be sanctifyed.

  I hope you and everybody will continue to pray Lord's Prayer and I am sure our Lord will appreciate that.