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  Revelation stuff per request for PetrW

  by EasyPrompt in

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  per request from petrw🙂, some revelation stuff.... .

  the four horsemen didn't start in 1914 or earlier- the timing is once jesus is enthroned in heaven.. .

  the winds of destruction are on the religious institutions.. .

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  Revelation 8:13 And I saw, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven say with a loud voice: “Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling on the earth because of the rest of the trumpet blasts of the three angels who are about to blow their trumpets!”

  This verse seems to be the beginning of the "Woes".

  The first woe should then be described in the next chapter. It is about a 5 month long period of locusts that torment people, but do not kill.

  The second woe contains much more. It spans from Revelation 9:12 to Revelation 11:14. It looks like for me that the second woe could be the coming 42 months and 1260 days and time, times and half a time.

  So this means that the things in Revelation 8 to 9:11 happen before the 42months/1260 days/3,5 years.

  In fact I believe Revelation 8 to 9:11 has already happened since 2010.
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  In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

  by EasyPrompt in

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  still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

  the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

  do they have to be jws?

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  Duran, the difference is too big for them to be the same.

  They differ in appearance and in their mission. Also the one from Revelation 13 gets struck in only one of its 7 heads, while the other in Revelation 17 goes down in abyss entirely.

  The beast in Revelation 13 will set up a new financial system, that will require people to get it's mark or name or number to be able to buy or sell. And before that they will make an image of the beast that will both talk and get killed those who refuse to worship it.

  While the beast in Revelation 17 will have only one mission, to destroy Babylon the Great.

  But you are of course free to believe what you prefer.
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  In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

  by EasyPrompt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

  the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

  do they have to be jws?

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  Hi PetrW, I have got an other understanding distinct from the WT organization. I see the 42 months to get its fulfillnent not 100+ years ago, but prior to the destruction of Babylon the Great. But the beast in Revelation 17 will get the power for one hour together with 10 kings.

  So they can not be the same beast.
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  In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

  by EasyPrompt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

  the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

  do they have to be jws?

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  Is it not another the beast in Revelation 13, distinct from the one in Revelation 17?
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  In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

  by EasyPrompt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

  the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

  do they have to be jws?

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  Duran: At this point beast gets its 42-month authorit
  
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

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  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  Unity based on truth

  John 17:17 Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.

  John 17:20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21 so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. 23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me.
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

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  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  Some scriptures to better understand Christ's mind:

  
  

  John 8:54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is your God.

  John 13:31 When, therefore, he (Judas Iscariot) had gone out, Jesus said: “Now the Son of man is glorified, and God is glorified in connection with him. 32 God himself will glorify him, and he will glorify him immediately.
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  Mark 9:35 So he sat down and called the Twelve and said to them: “If anyone wants to be first, he must be last of all and minister of all.”

  
  

  Mark 10:44 and whoever wants to be first among you must be the slave of all. 45 For even the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many.”
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  What is Self-deception?

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  i googles about self-deception and found many articles about it.

  it is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.. here is a quote from an article that describes it.

  and it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the bible.

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  Sorry I don't know how to quote on my phone.

  I would surely use a better translation if there was one. Or if I could I would like to make an own Bible translation.

  But the fact is that in many instances I can use the NWT to prove that the WT organization is wrong, with their own translation.
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  What is Self-deception?

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i googles about self-deception and found many articles about it.

  it is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.. here is a quote from an article that describes it.

  and it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the bible.

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  • The NWT is itself a deception. Why are you using that? Is this not an exJW site or did I miss something?

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