There are 2 forms of Christian churches in China. There are "government" churches, and those are out in the open. Then there are the underground churches, the "house" churches. In theory, they are not allowed to exist; they are against the law. Those identified as pastors or elders in the house churches are often at risk for being apprehended or jailed. I don't know what the latest estimate is, but the numbers in the house churches are HUGE, and still growing. -- There are still CHristian missionaries in China, but they are very covert and usually come in the guise of being students or employees.
AuntBee
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JW 'banned' in China
by isaacaustin ini have been told by a friend that the witnesses are banned in china.
is this true and what are the details?
is i sbanned or is it simply a tax exempt status issue?.
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JW convention in Rosenberg Houston this week-end
by cawshun inwill any one here be attending this convention?
if so, would you be so kind to let me know .
what subject's the talks are on?
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cabasilas: Thanks for posting that mp3 link. I know a JW woman with young adult sons, who emphatically denied that there is any sentiment against higher education whatsoever! (By the way, her oldest son, about mid twenties, is still in the "Loving shelter" of their home) I feel kind of nauseated after hearing this. It's amazing how every so often during the talk, after all that heavy handed, spiritual, Bible out of context stuff......he says, then you are totally free to make your own personal decision.
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Eating with worldly people?
by AuntBee inis there some jw rule against eating a meal with worldly people like me?
i'm talking about a late teenager, over here often.
he eats snacks and junk from the freezer, fast food brought in, stuff i have baked, but never anything i offer when we're eating.
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WTWiz - It's an unusual situation because as far as i can tell, his main friends are non-witnesses. I just wondered if the 'not eating' thing in his mind makes him think he's still slightly loyal. He does not seem hard core, i think he does enough to get by at home.
Cameo-d - FOr most casual meals, we don't. Only when we sit down more formally. We wouldn't have anyone pray out loud if i felt it would embarrass a guest or make them feel uncomfortable.
Hamster: That's a great Scripture in your reply; it assumes the Christians would be eating with worldly people. Also the reference to associating with "worldly" people in I Cor 5.
Thanks for the interesting answers.
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Eating with worldly people?
by AuntBee inis there some jw rule against eating a meal with worldly people like me?
i'm talking about a late teenager, over here often.
he eats snacks and junk from the freezer, fast food brought in, stuff i have baked, but never anything i offer when we're eating.
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i've been outed!
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Eating with worldly people?
by AuntBee inis there some jw rule against eating a meal with worldly people like me?
i'm talking about a late teenager, over here often.
he eats snacks and junk from the freezer, fast food brought in, stuff i have baked, but never anything i offer when we're eating.
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I didn't want to take the chance of asking, if it would embarrass him, if it was a JW thing. He seems to really like keeping the 2 worlds separate. And i'm more than happy to accomodate that.
But i agree, who knows with teenagers. Mine are strange sometimes too. (lots of times actually, LOL)
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Eating with worldly people?
by AuntBee inis there some jw rule against eating a meal with worldly people like me?
i'm talking about a late teenager, over here often.
he eats snacks and junk from the freezer, fast food brought in, stuff i have baked, but never anything i offer when we're eating.
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Is there some JW rule against eating a meal with worldly people like me? I'm talking about a late teenager, over here often. He eats snacks and junk from the freezer, fast food brought in, stuff i have baked, but never anything i offer when we're eating. It's usually not a formal sit down thing either. Various random people, and friends of the kids eat here all the time. LOL. Maybe i'm just paranoid, and he just doesn't like my food! (He was a little shy at first, but i know he feels at home and welcome here.)
auntBee, who loves to feed people
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Whay did Gilead teach about CTR? ... my latest video
by Awakened at Gilead insee here: please comment here or there... i welcome your feedback.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agw0mgl0eew.
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Blondie said: " I first heard the words "miracle wheat" when I was 19 shouted out from a house I had stopped by in my "ministry."
I'm going to pass on this tip to my family and friends. Perhaps a useful idea to keep in mind, when the doorbell rings, and one is not inclined at that very moment to argue the Trinity or the Divine Name.
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Lots of familiar JW doctrine in Ellen G White
by AuntBee inhttp://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc.html.
see especially chapters 17 - 24, for those who are interested.
basically, this is ellen white recounting in her own words the millerite movement, the great disappointment, and how she and others would never accept that he was wrong.
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"ate the same mushrooms" ROFL, Lawrence! My impression was that she was somewhat mentally ill, maybe Narcissistic Personality Disorder? But i suppose some bad mushrooms would have the same effect. hehe.
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Lots of familiar JW doctrine in Ellen G White
by AuntBee inhttp://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc.html.
see especially chapters 17 - 24, for those who are interested.
basically, this is ellen white recounting in her own words the millerite movement, the great disappointment, and how she and others would never accept that he was wrong.
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http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc.html
See especially chapters 17 - 24, for those who are interested. Basically, this is Ellen White recounting in her own words the Millerite movement, the Great DIsappointment, and how she and others would never accept that he was wrong. IT's a truly bizarre thing to read. It's basically someone cutting and pasting verses from the Bible, and using flowery language for pages and pages, to prove that black is white. And false is true. -- After a time of intense seeking and re-studying the chronology, guess what conclusion they came to? The Second Advent did indeed occur in 1844, but.........IT WAS INVISIBLE!! Hmmm, sound familiar?
Some recurring themes I noticed were:
churches bad, us good
Our group, or individuals in it are....people or prophecies in the Bible! Like, we're the wise virgins. And some guy's prophetic chart was the fulfillment of a prophecy in Habakkuk! LOL.
"new light" "more light" "clearer light"
Those who got disillusioned after the false prophecy lacked faith, were worldly, couldn't endure, etc. God used the false prophecy to 'test' people, and weed out those with bad motives.
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Timing Christ's Presence
by Ultimate Reality instartfragment.
obviously, this is an ongoing discussion.
in a past post (which was so popular, there were 0 replies) i mentioned a book by james stewart russell: the parousia: the new testament doctrine of our lord's second coming, which was written in 1878. the book is a discussion of the new testament as it relates to the subject of the parousia or christ's presence.
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Another book that is a bit more accessible and shorter is called Last Days Madness by Gary DeMar. (I would think exJWs would just enjoy the title!) I think there are some differences, but much that is similar to the Parousia in his book.