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  Split infinitive ruins society

  by the follower in

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  a couple of years ago the queen in her address to the nation used a split infinitive for the first time.

  needless to say, society has been reeling from the consequences of this lapse of judgement ever since.

  there are fewer things i feel more strongly about.

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  Francois,

  Your entirely correct - its something that drives me nuts too.

  herbert

  ps: the local NPRradio guy says "your invited to call in." I know for sure that he is saying your and not you're. I cringe every time I hear it.
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  Split infinitive ruins society

  by the follower in

  1. jw
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  a couple of years ago the queen in her address to the nation used a split infinitive for the first time.

  needless to say, society has been reeling from the consequences of this lapse of judgement ever since.

  there are fewer things i feel more strongly about.

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  herbert

  The thing that really sucks is that when one posts something about bad grammar, poor syntax, or their ilk, one falls into the same trap:

  Giving into the forces of "liberalism" in this seemingly small area may not seem much

  I suppose this is not a split infinitive but an unsplit preposition, which is even more of a thing badly too [sic] do.

  berther [sicer still]
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  Post JW Cult - JanH

  by Imbue in

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  i thought this was a timely essay you all should read!.

  http://kent.steinhaug.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427.

  the post-jw cult janh.

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  herbert

  Imbue2,

  Sorry - I was quoting from the essay not from what you said directly. Should have made that clear. I will edit the post too.

  herbert
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  Post JW Cult - JanH

  by Imbue in

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  i thought this was a timely essay you all should read!.

  http://kent.steinhaug.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427.

  the post-jw cult janh.

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  imbue2,

  The essay is generally correct. I'm also disturbed when an objective assessment of the WTS is regarded as being pro JW. However, I do take issue with this statement in the essay:

  I have been deeply disturbed by the extreme attacks on the eminent sociologist Rodney Stark I have read on JWD. Some have openly suggested trying to smear him by arguing that any positive sentence about the WTS -- which was quotable when the compulsory brakets and ellipsis was employed -- means that he somehow supports child abuse.

  The video and transcript, unless they have literally been faked, show that Stark was not misquoted. Now, he was probably misled and so he needs to reassess the situation. If he refuses, then it is legitimate to point out his refusal. Academic and scholar or not, he is contributing to a system that causes great harm through its policies on pedophiles, blood etc. That Stark was somehow used to speak directly on one of these issues does not excuse his responsibilities. Further, it's probably doing him a favor to make him aware of the Dateline program. At least he has a chance to modify or retract his statements and withdraw his support - that is if has any sense at all.

  herbert

  edited to make clear that I wasn't quoting Imbue2 but from the original essay.
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  Rodney Stark Video

  by herbert in

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  there seems to be speculation that dr. stark might have been misquoted by the wts in his comments on molestation.

  certainly, he might have been misled by the wts publications and by the spin put on by the organization.

  however, at http://jw-media.org there is (a) a video interview with him and (b) a transcript.. now, janh has apparently raised concerns about "smearing" dr. stark.

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  larc,

  Just click on the blue title "Education Through Publications" just to the right of Dr. Stark's head.

  herbert
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  Pope Forgives Molested Children

  by obiefernandez in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  read at http://www.theonion.com/onion3819/pope_forgives.html.

  vatican citycalling forgiveness "one of the highest virtues taught to us by jesus," pope john paul ii issued a papal decree monday absolving priest-molested children of all sin.. "though grave and terrible sins have been committed, our lord teaches us to turn the other cheek and forgive those who sin against us," said the pope, reading a prepared statement from a balcony overlooking st. peter's square.

  "that is why, despite the terrible wrongs they have committed, the church must move on and forgive these children for their misdeeds.".

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  What is truly sad is that the WTS leaders believe precisely as the Onion says: that a 4 year old girl jumping on the lap of a middle aged man, who then abuses her, is responsible for ruinging the fine career of a loyal JW - all because of the temptation she caused him. Truth sometimes is strangher than fiction.

  herbert
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  Rodney Stark Video

  by herbert in

  1. jw
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  there seems to be speculation that dr. stark might have been misquoted by the wts in his comments on molestation.

  certainly, he might have been misled by the wts publications and by the spin put on by the organization.

  however, at http://jw-media.org there is (a) a video interview with him and (b) a transcript.. now, janh has apparently raised concerns about "smearing" dr. stark.

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  herbert

  There seems to be speculation that Dr. Stark might have been misquoted by the WTS in his comments on molestation. certainly, he might have been misled by the WTS publications and by the spin put on by the organization. However, at http://jw-media.org there is (a) a video interview with him and (b) a transcript.

  Now, JanH has apparently raised concerns about "smearing" Dr. Stark. There is no intent to do that - however, if he allows his name and image and words to be used to propagate the view that just because the WTS publishes articles on the problem, that means they have an adequate policy in position, which protects children not only from exernal but internal pedophiles, then he must accept the responsibility for that.

  If he has refused to reassess the situation as silentlambs maintains, then it is reasonable to try to get his attention somehow. Too much is at stake to allow a prominent sociologist to get away, for whatever reason, with bolstering up the WTS in the area of child abuse.

  It would also be interesting to know if the WTS paid Dr. Stark as a aonsultant or not.

  herbert
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  an email from Dr. Stark

  by larc in

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  i am not sure if i posted this earlier, and stark threads have gone into distant pages somewhere, so i thought i would post this.. i sent dr. stark an email requesting information as to which of his publications discusses the jws.

  i also asked him if he was aware of penton and franz's work.

  he replied that he knew penton and thought his work was of good quality.

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  larc,

  The article you want is the contained in the link right after your first post. http://lsb.scu.edu/econrel/Downloads/JWGrow-O.pdf

  herbert
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  an email from Dr. Stark

  by larc in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not sure if i posted this earlier, and stark threads have gone into distant pages somewhere, so i thought i would post this.. i sent dr. stark an email requesting information as to which of his publications discusses the jws.

  i also asked him if he was aware of penton and franz's work.

  he replied that he knew penton and thought his work was of good quality.

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  larc,

  Good work. However, as far as I can tell that article is not the source pf the quote on the JW media page. Did you happen to ask Dr. Stark if those comments were an accurate reflection of what he said. If not, then would he supply his actual words. Also, does the WTS have permission to show his picture on their site?

  Thanks for the good work!

  herbert

  ps: I'm sure you mentioned Dateline, but I'd be very disturbed, were I in his shoes - to have my picture on a web site defending a religion on its child molestation protocols, when the religion is about to take a hammering on national TV precisely that: sexual abuse of minors by elders etc. Compounding the embarrassment is the media attention lately because of the Catholic Church.
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  Rodney Stark and Pedophiles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by herbert in

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  email stark's colleagues - those that dislike him will love it, and there will be many since not all univ.

  of washington profs are as newsworthy as he, or have bestselling books, and those that like him will be concerned.

  all it will take is an email header "does stark back jws in pedophile scandal?

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  EutaJerk,

  : True intellectuals or academics

  The cover up of pedophiles within a religion is neither an intellectual nor an academic issue. Ergo, academic rules of debate do not apply. Ask the Catholic church if they were forced to change their policies through academic debate or direct action.

  Get lost, troll. You sound like a total moron - if you're going to imitate an "intellectual academic" then first find one to study instead of making it up as you go along.