Posts by herbert

Given the level of interest, it might be worth contacting some of these reporters pre-dateline and directing them to the WT media web page http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=/vnr/default.htm

herbert

LATEST Priest Resignation - Child Abuse charges

by herbert in

given the timing with dateline, perhaps these reporters who wrote this article today http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/.

would be interested.. herbert

herbert

Given the timing with dateline, perhaps these reporters who wrote this article today http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/
would be interested.

herbert

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Update on Dr. Stark

by larc in

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on another thread, i mentioned that i had sent an email to dr. stark, and got a prompt response.

in a second email, i asked him about the context of the quote that the society is using.

i also, told him about the destructive nature of the jw policy regarding the sexual abuse of children.

herbert

larc,

plz check your email - if you can't download .gif plz let us knwo what you can!

herbert

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WT Lies on Child Molestations

by ThiChi in

well the wt now says that we did not have a body of knowledge on the effects of child molestations twenty years ago.

rubbish!.

thanks to herbert, this is just a sample of wt observations on this subject:.

herbert

ThiChi,

Thanks!

herbert

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Watchtower Media preps for Dateline!

by Dogpatch in

watchtower spin doctors!.

dr. gail bethea-jackson tells us that we didn't know what child abuse was 18-20 years ago.

gag on this one!.

herbert

ThiChi,

Could you start the other thread perhaps. I'm at my limit and also I don't have time right now....

thanks -

herbert

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Watchtower Media preps for Dateline!

by Dogpatch in

watchtower spin doctors!.

dr. gail bethea-jackson tells us that we didn't know what child abuse was 18-20 years ago.

gag on this one!.

herbert

ThiChi,

Good thinking! The last quote below is part of a whole series on molestation. It's ridiculous to say that people didn't know it was harmful 20 years ago.

Also, this woman seems somehow to be connected strongly with the Catholic Church.

herbert

*** g80 3/8 30 Watching the World ***
Churches Pushing Porn?
<G<÷>G> The Methodist Board of Discipleship recently ruled that 10 films intended for sex counseling could continue to be used for limited audiences. But a dissenting member of the Board commented: "The films were not, nor were the [sex counseling] forums, biblically based. The films showed men and women through the act of masturbation, and they also showed male and female homosexuality. Each one of these movies was from beginning to end-from the point of undressing to the point of climax." Methodist Minister Ted McIlvenna of San Francisco, who made most of the films, defended them, noting that they "were shot and produced by Methodist ministers." About 78,000 persons are said to have seen the explicit movies in the past seven years.
A book titled "The Sex Atlas," produced by an official publishing arm of the Episcopal Church, is being sharply criticized by two Episcopal priests who feel that "it seems to be an apology for any aberrant sexuality." Among other things, they point to passages in the book that seem to minimize child molestation and sex with animals. The book says that molested children may be more "disturbed by adult hysteria about a gentle and friendly 'child molester'" than by the molestation itself. Also, it predicts that in the future "our society will be much less preoccupied with sexual contact between humans and animals. After all, as long as the animal is not hurt or mistreated, there is no need for social interference." Apparently this religious publishing house does not consider God's opinion on such matters to be relevant.-Ex. 22:19.

*** g81 2/8 18 Incest-The Hidden Crime ***
One incest victim recommended teaching children at an early age that certain parts of their bodies are not for others to play with. This can be done in a loving way, perhaps using the story of Dinah, in the publication My Book of Bible Stories. Then, if anything resembling molestation should occur, the child can immediately tell mother or father. Remember, sexual molestation does not have to be intercourse. Fondling, "touching," unwarranted intimacy or any sexual playing can cause great damage in later life.

*** g85 1/22 3 Child Molesting-Every Mother's Nightmare ***
Child Molesting-Every Mother's Nightmare
FOR the young mother, it was a nightmare come true. When her four-year-old daughter complained of abdominal pains, she took her to see a doctor. The doctor, after a thorough examination, gravely told the mother that her little girl was the victim of sexual molestation. She had been raped. The mother informed the New York City authorities, who quickly determined that the abuse occurred at a Bronx, New York, day-care center.
Investigations at the center yielded horrifying results. First one, then another, then still another child revealed that they, too, had been molested. At least 30 children eventually claimed that they had been abused in that same center. One of them had gonorrhea. Then reports surfaced that children had been molested at another day-care center. Then at another. Eventually seven day-care centers had to be investigated in the New York City area alone.
As each new case was publicized, reports of child molesting started coming in from other parts of the country. The scandal spread. Parents asked one another: "What's happening?" What indeed! Was this just a freakish rash of molestation incidents? Or was it something very widespread that was only now being noticed?

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Watchtower Media preps for Dateline!

by Dogpatch in

watchtower spin doctors!.

dr. gail bethea-jackson tells us that we didn't know what child abuse was 18-20 years ago.

gag on this one!.

herbert

????? about jw-media.org

Anyone know why http://www.jw-media.org and http://jw-media.org are different. Strangely, the second one has the interview with Rodney Stark while the first one doesn't.

thanks,

herbert

to larc re: Stark

by herbert in

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larc,.

i'm curious if you ever heard back from stark in response to your specific questions about his video at jw-media.org?

i read his article pretty carefully, and it seemed rather objective, although there were a few minor mistakes.. however, his thesis seemed to be that the jws will continue to grow at 4%.

herbert

larc,

I'm curious if you ever heard back from Stark in response to your specific questions about his video at jw-media.org? I read his article pretty carefully, and it seemed rather objective, although there were a few minor mistakes.

However, his thesis seemed to be that the JWs will continue to grow at 4%. I hope he doesn't have a vested interest in this; after all, his theory contains reasons why the JWs might cease growing. It seems to me that either way, the JWs would present an interesting study from him.

I wonder what he will make of the Dateline program - hopefully he knows about. That should put him in quite a sticky situtaion especially if the press, e.g., the Seattle press (since he's at Univ of Wash) take an interest in the subject.

Thanks,

herbert

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New Catholic Priest Abuse Scandal

by herbert in

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/gma/goodmorningamerica/gma020523archbishop_accused.html .

this would seem to be a very poor time to be defending religions like the jws against the clear evidence that they don't handle molestation incidents in any way that could be considered moral or responsible.

herbert

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA020523Archbishop_accused.html

This would seem to be a very poor time to be defending religions like the JWs against the clear evidence that they don't handle molestation incidents in any way that could be considered moral or responsible.

herbert