@ scotsman - good point. However, Ronnie was seriously rattled after this conversation and the 2 JCs that followed.
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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What happens if you show up at the DC with no badge?
by JeffT ini'm thinking of going to one this summer to research an article i want to write.
back in my time anybody could just walk in, but some recent threads sound like that might be hard to do.
i'm also going to try to get a local paper to give me one time press credentials.
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I didn't wear a convention badge for several years before I left, neither did my wife OR my kids*. We never got hassled.
*Who puts name badges on little kids in a large, open, public space? It's a pedophiles dream to have all these little children that they can call by name....
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We Were Just Shunned By A Old Friend Who Was Just D'FD Herself For..
by Lady Liberty inhi friends.... just went to the grocery with my husband and about ran right into a old friend of ours that i have known since we lived in a little one horse town in minnesota when i was in 2nd grade, (32 years ago!!).
i looked at her and she immediately turned her head but kept trying to peak at my husband and i two lanes away through the magazines.
i waited for her to look at me and when she finally did and had eye contact , i started to smile a friendly smile at her and she looked away quickly.
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If she's angling to be be reinstated she can't be seen to be fraternising with other DFd ones. Fact.
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Ninja doesn't actually look as raw and sleazy as he does in these photos.
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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The way I see it Ann needs to decide whether she wants to associate with her daughter or whether she wants to do what the elders say.
I should add that Anne disassociated herself, too.
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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I don't know all the details of the situation so I don't know how I would "handle it". I put quotes round that because it's a classic JW phrase. "Situations" need to be "handled".
Classic. I'm sure I've heard of those terms/phrases in non-JW situations. Whoops. I said "situation"!
Jehovah's Witnesses have worn that word out, and it seems to me you have not really broken free from the Witnesses' way of thinking if you need to frame the issue in those terms.
Fair enough. How's your aunt, by the way?
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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I'm pretty sure his wife would have gone into the KH to confront him (if I remember right, she did want to), but as she'd DAd a month before she wouldn't have gotten very far.
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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I believe that telling a mother not to talk to her daughter is wrong regardless of when Jerusalem fell or exactly how certain verses can be read. Don't you agree?
Yes I do. However, 607 is the start point for the 1914 doctrine, which feeds into the 1919 selection doctrine which in turn placed this elder in his position of authority. Using his Society ordained authority he had tried to coerce a woman into having no fellowship with her disassociated daughter, Hobo's wife. He had also used his authority to slander Hobo and his wife to the mother.
Trying to point elders in the direction of compassion doesn't work as they believe they've to follow to the letter the decrees of the Watch Tower Society, regardless of how heartless these decrees may be. But the Watch Tower Society only has power over lives if people believe it was selected in 1919.
So, I can understand that at some point in the conversation the very basis for this elder's authority is going to be challenged, and as this elder had steadfastly refused to consider any criticism of the Society through the previous 5 hours of conversation with Hobo and his wife, maybe it's understandably that Hobo tried the 607 route.
To focus in on this one point as a means to criticise Hobo's tackling of the elder is a bit poor, to be honest. He pinned his colours to his mast, stood up for his wife and was counted as a man for doing so. He has balls.
How would you have handled it, just out of interest?
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The photo is flipped or mirrored, notice the side of the jacket their hankies are.
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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I honestly can't see what bringing 607 into the discussion helps anything. The main thing that is wrong about Jehovah's Witnesses is not that they are empirically wrong about historical dates, or interpreting various scriptures, the main thing that is wrong with them is that they prefer to follow rigid rules over applying basic human kindness.
No offense, but I sincerely hope you're not criticising Hobo for bringing up 607...at least he had the gonads to confront the elder in the first place.