this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
So why copy them?
So when they haul you in for a judicial meeting or come to 'shepherd' you about your beliefs you've to quietly sit there and not defend yourself? Interesting tactic.
For some who leave the Witnesses old habits die hard it seems.
Who are you referring to, exactly? I realise you're still a Jehovah's Witness yourself, so who do you mean?
personally i hate bible ping-pong.
i don't think it ever gets anywhere, i don't think it solves anything and i don't think the participants ever make any head room.
however i will say in this case, i have been proven wrong.
Because the NIV translators were qualified and weren't retards?
this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
@ boyzone, well said.
@ quietlyleaving - the BoE in question with regards to these recordings investigated the issue and decided not to pursue the matter. The publicity which was certainly erupt around any legal action on their part would be the exact opposite of what they'd want to achieve.
It's worth noting too that nowhere in the recordings are any of the individuals other that Hobo and Iknowall explicitly identified.
this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
@ slimboyfat "Isn't it a bit cruel to try to rob people like that of their JW beliefs?"
Isn't it a bit cruel to disfellowship people and have a policy of shunning against such ones just because they don't believe absolutely-to-the-letter the same (fluctuation and changing) doctrines that come from the Governing Body?
Jehovah's Witnesses are in existence for the sole purpose of (trying) to change other peoples' beliefs.
when examining a complex situation, i often find it useful to consider what isn't being said and what isn't being done - and why.. there are some major things that the watchtower hasn't bothered to do.
1) many congregations are full of ex-elders and ms's - almost to a point i would find embarrassing, if i were them but they don't seem to have any approach to getting these brothers back in the saddle.
neither do they seem interested in why these brothers quit and what could be done to prevent it.. 2) since the emergence of the internet and its challenges, they haven't made any deep or concerted effort at a witchhunt to clean disloyal brothers out of the organization.
Good points.
I think it's important to remember that the Watch Tower Society was only supposed to be around for 40 years.
it seems to me that most of the borgs growth now is from 3rd world countries and from uneducated, poorer people.
i don't believe this was the case years ago.
and, there are a lot in that are stuck in.
I was always amazed at how little the congregation we were in donated. The wealthy ones were putting in around £10 per week via gift aid. Sometimes we were barely left with a surplus after donating £150 to the Society.
personally i hate bible ping-pong.
i don't think it ever gets anywhere, i don't think it solves anything and i don't think the participants ever make any head room.
however i will say in this case, i have been proven wrong.
Reniaa, when do you get time to prepare for meetings, have a meaningful share in the door-to-door ministry, study with your children (you have 3, right, one of whom is but a baby?), attend meetings, clean your home, earn a living etc etc? You really are a marvel. A single-mother of 3 young children with such time, dedication and Biblical knowledge to help all of us.
personally i hate bible ping-pong.
i don't think it ever gets anywhere, i don't think it solves anything and i don't think the participants ever make any head room.
however i will say in this case, i have been proven wrong.
Reniaa, don't you have 3 kids to get breakfast for?
the search function here isn't what it used to be.. can anyone direct me to a reference that shows christianity grew to more than 144,000 converts by 98 ce?.
intuitively it seems like a no-brainer, but something better than gut instinct would be helpful.. om.
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I was told that just because they died for their faith doesn't mean that they'd died faithfully....which is incredible logic when think about it. What more do you need to do for the Governing Body before they decide you're worthy of life?
personally i hate bible ping-pong.
i don't think it ever gets anywhere, i don't think it solves anything and i don't think the participants ever make any head room.
however i will say in this case, i have been proven wrong.
These scholars arguing against the Trinity and flexing their considerable scriptural dexterity reminds me of the thousands of scholars who repeatedly write dissertations, hold conferences, lobby the physics establishment etc etc because they've 'proved' e=mc2 to be wrong.
