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Practicing Christian Deism- long.

by Lillith26 in

when jesus said, "you shall love .

what did jesus mean by "love your enemy?

so what did jesus mean when he said, "love your enemy"?

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The fact that we have life through no decision or action of our own is evidence that life has been given to us. In using the word "life," I am referring to the individual "self" or personal consciousness that you perceive within your physical body. This is sometimes called "soul" or "spirit" or "being." Jesus used the term "spirit." He said, "It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail," that is, the physical body is of no value without the spirit (John 6:63). This, of course, is stating the obvious because without "life" we cannot have consciousness, and our physical body is of no use without personal consciousness.

Gnostic for sure.

Why do people not want to acknowledge Jesus as God, as the fully-divine, full-human person he was? Just curious. All of the Christian Deism stuff sounds quite new age.

If Jesus said he was the way, the truth and the life, why not just come to him and have done with it rather than dancing around philosophies that sort of acknowledge him, but reduce him to a decent dude who spoke some cool things.

If we follow his story through to the last book of the Bible we find him as a victorious King, a tattoo on his leg, the blood of his enemies on his white robe and a sword coming out of his mouth. Jesus said we were to honour him, just as we honour his Father in heaven and that he has the authority to be mankind's judge.

Let's imagine he does return and he does judge. What will we say to him? "Woah, JC, dude...I dig your little stories, but c'mon...worship you? Get real, fella!"

Seriously though, it's worth thinking about; who really was Jesus?

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Belief in God, the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and Fairy God Mothers

by frankiespeakin in

when we were a young child full of wonder at the world, so new, so innocent, we believed what ever mommy and daddy told us, if they said there was a tooth fairy why we believed it until we got older(hopefully) especially when we get our permanent teeth.. santa was probably discarded around the same time as the tooth fairy give or take a few years depending on gullibility or lack of it.. well lets face it we probably figured out the easter bunny first for the simple reason you only got some eggs,, which you can have any day of the week and you get to eat a lot of chocolate bunnies ears off not very pious mind you, nor do you fear the bunny might seek revenge for the impious act in some way like god might do remembering: the ark and ussa or wassa or something.

that definately should be considered as a contributing factor as to why and what order they get debuncked tooth fairy danta the benifit factor need to be brought in.. god too has to go in time, eventually, just like not all at once and for everybody.

religion to control the mind is on a head on course with human species vastly excellerated enlightenment.

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What about adults who were atheists or agnostic who later in life - without any parental influence - chose to belief in God?

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To Christians....

by homeschool in

what do you call god?

do you call him yaweh?

if you believe in calling him by his hebrew name, then do you feel the same way about jesus?

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Why all the masculine names???????? Why not Mother, Godess of Nature, Gramma???? personally It think trying to label god as male or female is just plain sexist! why dose god need to one or the other????

The thread is addressed to Christians so the answers will come from people who follow Christ. Christ instructed us to pray to our Father in heaven.

Why not ask God why he chose the masculine gender to reveal himself to the Jews and Christians?

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To Christians....

by homeschool in

what do you call god?

do you call him yaweh?

if you believe in calling him by his hebrew name, then do you feel the same way about jesus?

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Father.

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Belief in God, the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and Fairy God Mothers

by frankiespeakin in

when we were a young child full of wonder at the world, so new, so innocent, we believed what ever mommy and daddy told us, if they said there was a tooth fairy why we believed it until we got older(hopefully) especially when we get our permanent teeth.. santa was probably discarded around the same time as the tooth fairy give or take a few years depending on gullibility or lack of it.. well lets face it we probably figured out the easter bunny first for the simple reason you only got some eggs,, which you can have any day of the week and you get to eat a lot of chocolate bunnies ears off not very pious mind you, nor do you fear the bunny might seek revenge for the impious act in some way like god might do remembering: the ark and ussa or wassa or something.

that definately should be considered as a contributing factor as to why and what order they get debuncked tooth fairy danta the benifit factor need to be brought in.. god too has to go in time, eventually, just like not all at once and for everybody.

religion to control the mind is on a head on course with human species vastly excellerated enlightenment.

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If children are the ones who tend to believe in Santa etc, why do so many adults - some of them are even intelligent - chose to believe in God?

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September 11

by VIII in

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friends

i was watching the news when the first plane hit the first tower.

cnbc actually.

the news people couldn't believe it was happening and thought it was a small plane that went off course.

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I remember seeing them talking ....saying world trade centre 7 had fallen down on BBC news......20 minutes before it did

North Americans don't like thinking about this, or about thinking how WTC 7 actually fell; y'know, straight down as per a planned demolition. Apparently buildings accidentally falling that way isn't logical and if it ain't logical it can't have happened.

Oh, and if you point out that it did in fact happen, you become a nutter.

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Oct.15th WT GB Tells JW Rank & File-You are Our Belongings Stay Humble

by flipper in

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friends

the mind control in this latest oct.15th is amazing.

our lurking jw friend sent us this and it basically tellls witnesses that their opinions don't matter and only god is good .

it belittles independent thinking and explains that each rank and file jw is owned by the alleged " faithful and discreet slave " .

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bttt

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Really, There Is A Lot To Learn About Your Faith

by AllTimeJeff in

in ak - jeffs thread "did jesus ever claim to be the messiah", narkissos said the following that i think, and have learned, is rather profound:.

a better approach to this discussion might start with questioning the presupposition that there was one concept of "messiahship" common to all or even most 1st-century ad jews.. the idea is, we assume that the faith and religion we have now, is as it was way back then... clearly, it isn't.. i haven't devoted a great deal of my time to this subject, but i have read enough to realize that there is a lot more to the history of our churches and religions then we think.

jw history is pretty easy, as they started in the late 19th century.

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In what way are Perry's arguments weak? Again, I'm fascinated with the atheists' need to attack and tear down the beliefs and faith of Christians, or at least to attempt to. By poisoning Perry's well by claiming his arguments are weak, you in fact strengthen them. Why not just let us Christians continue to masturbate in our own feces or whatever else it is you think luddites who believe in sky daddies do? Surely with such a retarded way of viewing life and the universe we only have a couple of years left before we evolve into something much more pleasant. I'll say it again, Christianity is almost 2000 years old. It should have died out. The Bible contains literature that is much older. Surely it should have been reduced to a mere footnote in the evolution of mankind. Yet for some reason the story of Jesus and the cross is still shaping and changing lives around the world. That, to me, is absolutely incredible. I've experiened the change that speaking to Christ, inviting him to come into my life has had on me as a person and the life I live. Rather than living with any sort of fear, as many claim Christianity is about, I'm living a life where I fear nothing. I speak to Christ and he speaks back, either through the Bible or through circumstances beyond my control or through the tangible, answer to prayers. Incredibly millions of people believe God has and is speaking to them, just as millions believe he doesn't. God, we were told by Nietzsche, was dead. Frustratingly for the atheists he continues to live.

As for there being some sort of fuss over whether Christians worship in exactly the same way as they did 1700 years ago, my reply is to ask, is Jesus front and centre of any Chrisitan worship? Anyone claiming to be a Christian should always have Jesus font and centre in their worship. That's how it was in the 1st C. and that's all that really matters.

Some recommended reading;

There is a God - Anthony Flew

God is Not Dead - Amit Goswami

Is God a Delusion - Nicky Gumble

The Dawkins Delusion - Antony McGrath

The Case For Christ - Lee Strobel

Darwin's Angel - John Cornwell

And my personal favourite -

Atheist Delusions: The Christian Revolution and Its Fashionable Enemies by David Bentley Hart And if we want God to speak to us, try speaking to him first then giving him the chance to reply through his Word the Bible. A simple prayer like, Lord Jesus, I struggle to believe that you are alive and interested in me. I find it hard to see the evidence. Please speak to me and open my eyes to any reality that you may be there. God may have been using this very thread to speak to us in some way. If there's any probability that may be true, what are we going to do about it?

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When bad spelling trolls leave, new bad spellers (studies, JW's, JW lovers) arrive

by OnTheWayOut in

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friends

i will totally leave names out, as many get all huffy about that.

it's also possible that i am wrong, though i doubt it.. it's just that some trolls seem to deliberately be terrible spellers to make themselves look more naive and when they leave here for whatever reason, some new bad speller comes along in less than a week with an impossible problem or a complicated love situation with a jw or they are a firm believer with questions.

just watch out.