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  What teaching did you find unacceptable that made you question the WTS?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  the selection of the society in 1919 as the faithful and discreet slave after jesus spent nearly 5 years observing them.

  jesus must have had some good lsd.

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  Being recently told by a couple of elders to "put aside what Jesus said" regarding no man knowing the day nor hour or it belonging to men to know the times and seasons.
  
  Why did they say that? Because I wanted to know what gave Russell the right to claim he knew the day, times and seasons.
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  HERE'S A BOMBSHELL ABOUT THE 144,000 DOCTRINE......

  by Mary in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just when you think you've heard it all............in my research for my project, i was doing some digging around on the subject of the 144,000 and came across something in the wts's literature that absolutely stunned me and, being the generous soul that i am , wanted to pass it on to you to get your thoughts on this.. .

  we all know that the society teaches that the 144,000 mentioned in revelation is speaking of "spiritual israel" and not 'fleshly israel' or even other christians in general right?

  there are countless quotes throughout the literature that we are all familiar with that specifically state this, but to drive home a point, here are a few:.

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  Nice find, Mary! Keep them coming.
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  Are the Great Crowd back out in the Court of the Gentiles?

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 2002 the wts acknowledged that naos as per revelation 7 does not in fact refer to the courtyard of the gentiles, but in reality - and correctly - is a much more divine place.. quote;.

  but as the heavenly elder said to john, the great crowd really is in the temple, not outside the temple area in a kind of spiritual court of the gentiles.

  what a privilege that is!

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  @dozy;
  What I thought was appalling about that talk was when Honeyman said "Phew, that was hard work!" after researching one small point in the book of Ezekiel. How to keep the R&F from doing any personal research; it's hard work!
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  Are the Great Crowd back out in the Court of the Gentiles?

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 2002 the wts acknowledged that naos as per revelation 7 does not in fact refer to the courtyard of the gentiles, but in reality - and correctly - is a much more divine place.. quote;.

  but as the heavenly elder said to john, the great crowd really is in the temple, not outside the temple area in a kind of spiritual court of the gentiles.

  what a privilege that is!

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  In 2002 the WTS acknowledged that na·os as per Revelation 7 does not in fact refer to the Courtyard of the Gentiles, but in reality - and correctly - is a much more divine place.
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  But as the heavenly elder said to John, the great crowd really is in the temple, not outside the temple area in a kind of spiritual Court of the Gentiles. What a privilege that is! And how it highlights the need for each one to maintain spiritual and moral purity at all times! Of course, those proselytes did not serve in the inner courtyard, where the priests performed their duties. And members of the great crowd are not in the inner courtyard of Jehovah's great spiritual temple, which courtyard represents the condition of perfect, righteous human sonship of the members of Jehovah's "holy priesthood" while they are on earth. (1 Peter 2:5)
  Watchtower 2002 May 1 pp.30-31
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  However, and I'm looking for some back up here if possible, I'm convinced that they stated at the 2008 DC that the Great Crowd are in the Court of the Gentiles.
  
  Did anyone else spot this? Is this going to be 'new light'?
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  Watchtower deception regarding the TRINITY

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have finally finished an article outlining the deceptive way in which the watchtower presents its anti-trinitarian information.

  any constructive criticism such as regarding errors that may have crept in is welcome.

  since i cannot embed a page i hope entering the html code works, otherwise it can be read at http://jwfacts.com/index_files/trinity.htm.

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  I think it's safe to say that the notion of the trinity is one that JWs and exJWs alike find difficult to reconcile with their studies in the scriptures, both within and certainly during the early days outside the Org. I'm doing my best to come to terms with the WTS dishonesty of doctrine.
  
  What I've quickly realised is that it's easier to find texts 'proving' the trinity than it is to find texts proving the 144,000 is a literal number of kings and priests in heaven.
  
  Paul, as usual, deserves commendation for his research and thoroughness in exposing the WTS's on-going intellectual and spiritual dishonesty.
  
  Thanks, Paul.
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  *** Revisions in the "Bible Teach Book" - Can anyone verify?

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this email is making the rounds.

  can't imagine why they need to make these changes but there you go.... .

  1) see the picture on page 59. it is a candle...it is different from.

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  They strain the gnat but gulp down the camel...
  
  In their publications they'll happily micro-manage issues like those stated above, but happily print abominations where Christ is replaced by the 'faithful and discreet slave". They really have no shame in pushing their agenda through their publications.
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  *** Revisions in the "Bible Teach Book" - Can anyone verify?

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
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  this email is making the rounds.

  can't imagine why they need to make these changes but there you go.... .

  1) see the picture on page 59. it is a candle...it is different from.

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  They strain the gnat but gulp down the camel...
  
  In their publications they'll happily micro-manage issues like those stated above, but happily print abominations where Christ is replaced by the 'faithful and discreet slave". They really have no shame in pushing their agenda through their publications.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-17-08 WT Study (PURSUE)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  comments you will not hear at the 08-17-08 wt study (june 15, 2008, pages 11-15)(pursue).

  review comments will be in red.

  wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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  @heathen;
  
  Fair enough, but there's a forthcoming study article about helping the elderly that mentions Jehovah and the FDS being appreciative for the efforts and faithfulness of older Witnesses. Once again the WTS put themselves in the place of Christ and on the same level as God.
  
  Their arrogance is stunning.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-17-08 WT Study (PURSUE)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  comments you will not hear at the 08-17-08 wt study (june 15, 2008, pages 11-15)(pursue).

  review comments will be in red.

  wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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  Great stuff, Blondie.
  
  However, Heathen, they most certainly are not learning humility in Brooklyn! Asides from bigging up their translation of the Bible, look at paragraph 10;
  
  

• 10. Read Romans 10:17. To attain and maintain strong faith, a Christian must keep meditating on the precious truths found in God's Word. "The faithful and discreet slave" has provided many fine publications. Three exceptional books are The Greatest Mall Who Ever Lived, Leam From the Great Teacher, and "Come Be My Follower," volumes that are designed to help us get to know Christ better and thus be in a position to imitate him. (Matt. 24:45-47) The slave class also arranges for meetings, assemblies, and conventions, many of which highlight "the word about Christ." Do you see any ways in which you could take greater advantage of these as you pay "more than the usual attention" to what God provides?-Heb.


I loved paragraph 14;


• 14. It is one thing to exert ourselves toward a short-term goal but quite another matter when the goal is difficult to reach or further away than we expected. Clearly, pursuing the goal of everlasting life requires endurance. "Because you kept what I said about endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test:' the Lord Jesus told the congregation in Philadelphia. (Rev. 3:10; ftn.) Indeed, Jesus taught about the need for endurance-a quality that heips us not to give up when facing trials and temptations. The brothers in the first-century congregation in Philadelphia must have shown exemplary endurance through many tests of faith. Thus, Jesus assured them of further help during a greater test to come.-Luke 16:10.


Are they building up to an announcement that will further 'test' the congregations?