in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
Adam,
I have a scenario for you:
If I lived in the 18th century (or any century between the 2nd and 19th) was 'conscious of my spiritual need' and wanted to worship God 'in spirit and truth'.. which organisation should I have joined in order to get spiritually fed? (remember the wheat was still amongst the weeds).
Which specific organization was God using during this time?
- Aurelius
in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
DD - I think you have mis-quoted me
in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
Paragragh 17 of the same study article:
"17 As we learned in the preceding article, the harvest season began in 1914. In that year, a number of important developments began to unfold. Jesus was enthroned as King, and the last days began. ( Rev. 11:15 ) From 1914 to the early part of 1919, Jesus accompanied his Father to the spiritual temple to do a much-needed inspection and cleansing work. * ( Mal. 3:1-4 ) Then, starting in 1919, it was time to begin gathering the wheat. Was it finally the time for Christ to appoint one organized channel to dispense spiritual food? Yes, indeed!"
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'to appoint' implies to me that an organized channel was not previously appointed.
in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
THE WATCHTOWER (STUDY EDITION) JULY 2013
3rd Study article - Feeding Many Through the Hands of a Few
in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
The WT recently admitted that the 'channel' was not always in existence.
see WT Study Edition - July 2013
14 The apostasy made some inroads in the first century, but Jesus’ faithful apostles acted “as a restraint,” holding back the contamination and influence of false teachings. (2 Thess. 2:3, 6, 7) However, once the last of the apostles died, the apostasy took root and flourished during a long growing season that lasted for many centuries. Additionally, during that time, the weeds became many and the blades of wheat were few. There was no consistent, organized channel for dispensing spiritual food. That would eventually change. But the question is, When?
15, 16. The Bible Students’ diligent study of the Scriptures yielded what results, and what question arises?
15 As the end of the growing season neared, there were strong stirrings of interest in Bible truth. Recall that in the 1870’s, a small group of sincere truth-seekers got together and formed Bible classes apart from the weeds—imitation Christians within the churches and sects of Christendom. With humble hearts and open minds, those sincere Bible Students, as they called themselves, made a careful and prayerful search of the Scriptures.—Matt. 11:25.
16 The Bible Students’ diligent study of the Scriptures yielded rich results. Those loyal men and women exposed false doctrines and spread spiritual truths, publishing and distributing Bible literature far and wide. Their work won the hearts and convinced the minds of many who were hungering and thirsting for spiritual truth. An intriguing question therefore arises: Were the Bible Students in the years that led up to 1914 the appointed channel through which Christ would feed his sheep? No. They were still in the growing season, and the arrangement for a channel to provide spiritual food was still taking shape. The time had not yet come for the weedlike imitation Christians to be separated from the true Christian wheat.
good morning folks!
i have believed in the 1914 jw core teaching for more than 20 years.
but now, after seeing much about this date, i find it uncomfortable and odd to believe it unquestionably, much less defend it against opposing thoughts.
apologies if this going off topic, however, somewhat related... was the formula used by the WTS to calculate Jesus' first arrival, etc, the same used to calculate 1914?
Happy for any help in pointing me in the right direction, publications, etc.
i hope this thread can be a compilation of all the changes made.
it could serves as a good reference for those who want to help the loved ones to wake up.
please list down here all your findings if you don't mind.
John 1:14
NWT - So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.
RNWT - So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.
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Interesting when read with the footnote associated with 'the Word was a god'* in John 1:1 *Or “was divine.”
seriously guys, can you really give the wt app a negative review?.
i mean it does what it says it will do in a sleek way... right?.
so why the calls to give this app bad reviews?
Now ranked #79 in free apps
i'd like to ask if someone who's still active in the uk could possibly send me a hard copy of the nnwt via post please?
obviously i'll cover any costs.
if you can help please pm me and i'll give you my address.
In a couple weeks when the new bibles are on general release walk into an out of town Kingdom Hall and go up to the literature counter and grab one. Don't forget to get suited and booted!
an annual meeting is a legal requirement for a corporation.. the watchtower annual meeting (agm) is a legal event that has become the biggest spiritual event of the year, overshadowing what is supposed to be the most important event, the memorial of christ's death.. praise be to the governing buddies who sit on the throne of christ..
IAMNOBODYOFCONCERN
I ONLY SEE THE WATCHTOWER MAKING THE EFFORT TO FIND THE TRUTH EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG IN PLACES I TELL THEY ARE CLOSER TO THE TRUTH THAN OTHER ORGANISATIONS.AGAIN I SAY:LEAVE IT ALONE,GO BACK TO IT OR START YOUR OWN CULT AND SEE IF JEHOVAH WILL BACK YOU.
What evidence would you see as Jehovah's backing?
