To the conspiracy folks: Will you please elaborate on what you believe happened to Barbara Olson?
leavingwt
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9/11 Conspiracy nuts...60% of Americans are you KIDDING!!!!
by Witness 007 in60% of americans in one servey think the government did it.....even though there is no sold evidence.
let me spell it out.....a huge airplane full of fuel hit the building plowing thru the steel supports, thousands of witnesses, and video fotage, it almost flew through the building with debris blowing out the other side.
although it appears in the footage there is alot of smoke but no fire, right?
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Is it Possible to be Agnostic, Behaviorally?
by leavingwt inmichael shermer says 'no': .
"of course, no one is agnostic behaviorally.
when we act in the world, we act as if there is a god or as if there is no god, so by default we must make a choice, if not intellectually then at least behaviorally.
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leavingwt
knowsnothing: You make some good points and ask some good questions. I suppose I'm trying to better understand the position of the person who holds no belief(s) in any god(s), but rejects the label "atheist". (I fully understand the real-world, negative consequencs of self-idnetifying as such, but I'm speaking of the accuracy of the term.)
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Bible=Publications of the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class
by LostGeneration infrom the july 15th 2012 wt, page 26:.
ask himself, do i immediately apply.
everything i read in the bible and in the.
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leavingwt
Yes, indeed. This is exactly how they view their publications.
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leavingwt
Maher is a comedian and his film was very entertaining.
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Is it Possible to be Agnostic, Behaviorally?
by leavingwt inmichael shermer says 'no': .
"of course, no one is agnostic behaviorally.
when we act in the world, we act as if there is a god or as if there is no god, so by default we must make a choice, if not intellectually then at least behaviorally.
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leavingwt
Because it may have been missed in my long post... I know atheists who pray, and I know theists who do not. Prayer is not a behavior that can define a theist from an atheist.
The Silence: I enjoyed your response. I'm sorry that I did not specifcally respond to you. I think you, Tammy and slimboyfat made good arguments, basically presenting enough evidence to answer the question of the title of this thread. Yes, peole can be agnostic, behaviorally.
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Is it Possible to be Agnostic, Behaviorally?
by leavingwt inmichael shermer says 'no': .
"of course, no one is agnostic behaviorally.
when we act in the world, we act as if there is a god or as if there is no god, so by default we must make a choice, if not intellectually then at least behaviorally.
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leavingwt
james:
you cannot "believe" in a god concept if you believe it is not possible to know if it exists or not.
Yes, and if you do NOT believe (for whatever reason, including agnosticism) then you are an atheist.
Or, perhaps I should ask this: What is your opinion of the term "Agnostic Atheist"?
knowsnothing: In your opinion, is the question below framed wrong? If so, why?
"Do you believe in Santa Claus"
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Is it Possible to be Agnostic, Behaviorally?
by leavingwt inmichael shermer says 'no': .
"of course, no one is agnostic behaviorally.
when we act in the world, we act as if there is a god or as if there is no god, so by default we must make a choice, if not intellectually then at least behaviorally.
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leavingwt
Tammy: Several have commented here in a manner that counters Shermer's position in a reasonable manner, IMHO. IOW, yes, one can indeed be agnostic, behaviorally.
As does this comment, from the post:
The behavioral distinction between an atheist and a believer can be very subtle, while distinguishing them as different intellectual positions is straightforward.
Moreover, one can certainly act as if “there might be a God” (for example by being careful not to commit blasphemy, but never actually praying), which entails that agnostocism can as well be considered a behavioral position (subtlty) distinct from atheism or faith.
The distinction between atheism and agnosticism as intellectual / behavioral positions appears to be very weak. Actually any intellectual position can be considered a behavioral one, as far as “engaging intellectual discussions” is considered a certain kind of behavior.
http://www.skepticblog.org/2012/04/10/are-you-an-atheist-or-agnostic/#comment-75200
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Is it Possible to be Agnostic, Behaviorally?
by leavingwt inmichael shermer says 'no': .
"of course, no one is agnostic behaviorally.
when we act in the world, we act as if there is a god or as if there is no god, so by default we must make a choice, if not intellectually then at least behaviorally.
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leavingwt
LWT, the second question is framed wrong. Since an agnostic has no claim as to whether God exists or not, asking if they believe in God is non sequitur.
Hence, the need for the term "Agnostic Atheist".
If one does not hold any belief in any gods, he or she is an atheist, by (dictionary) definition.
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Is it Possible to be Agnostic, Behaviorally?
by leavingwt inmichael shermer says 'no': .
"of course, no one is agnostic behaviorally.
when we act in the world, we act as if there is a god or as if there is no god, so by default we must make a choice, if not intellectually then at least behaviorally.
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leavingwt
james: Here are the two questions.
Atheist and agnostic are answers to two separate questions.
(1) Is there a god? I don’t know, I’m agnostic.
(2) Do you believe in god? No, I’m an atheist. -
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Is it Possible to be Agnostic, Behaviorally?
by leavingwt inmichael shermer says 'no': .
"of course, no one is agnostic behaviorally.
when we act in the world, we act as if there is a god or as if there is no god, so by default we must make a choice, if not intellectually then at least behaviorally.
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leavingwt
For James, one of the comments.
" Personally, I think it is intellectually dishonest to be a complete agnostic. That is, one who is agnostic regarding *all* the god concepts out there. Many, if not indeed most, gods are demonstrably non-existent, because they have qualities attributed to them that are internally inconsistent or are said to have performed actions that are known not to have taken place. Whether or not they exist, is therefore not a question with an “unknowable” answer. If knowledge is to have any meaning at all, that is."