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  ....And what if it IS the truth????

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

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  Does the Watchtower Really Want you to 'Make Sure of All Things'?

  HOW DOES THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY FEEL ABOUT AND EXAMINATION OF THEIR BELIEFS?

  WATCHTOWER. Mar-1-1894 p.1629 If you find something written by us that's not in harmony with the Bible don't circulate it.

  WATCHTOWER. Dec-15-1914 p.377-8 Says if you find something better let us know. (Quote also in the 12-1-90 WATCHTOWER p.19}

  WATCHTOWER.May-1-34 p.131 Encourages us to use our Bible to prove if what the WATCHTOWER says is wrong.

  WATCHTOWER. Aug-1-78 p.12 We are not afraid of being exposed.

  AWAKE!. Aug-22-84 p.28 Must be willing to submit to scrutiny.

  RICHES book p.178 Says if you find a lie forsake it.

  WATCHTOWER. Aug-15-50 p.263 Invites critical examination.

  WATCHTOWER. Nov-15-63 p.688 It's not wrong to expose false religion.

  TRUTH book p.13 Tells us to examine our religion.

  AWAKE! Oct-22-73 p.6 Examine both sides of a matter.

  WATCHTOWER. Jun-15-85 p.12 Refer to older publications if needed.

  WATCHTOWER. Nov-22-84 p.3-4 Article on having an open or closed mind.

  AWAKE!. Jun-8-94 p.21 Encourages us to have freedom of thought.

  These are great articles

  BUT

  HOW DOES THE WATCHTOWER REALLY FEELabout people looking critically at their writings.

  WATCHTOWER. May-1-57 p.284 Do not criticize the organization.

  WATCHTOWER. Mar-15-86 p.16 Any questioning of the organization reveals a Satanic influence.

  WATCHTOWER. Feb-1-52 p.80 We should meekly go along with the organization.

  Qualified to be Ministers book 1955 p.156 We should believe all things the WATCHTOWER says.

  WATCHTOWER. Feb-15-81 p.18 Tells us not to be skeptical of slave class.

  WATCHTOWER. Jan-15-83 p.22-27 Avoid independent thinking.

  WATCHTOWER. Jun-1-67 p.338 Heavy research not needed only WATCHTOWER publications.

  WATCHTOWER. Apr-1-86 p.31 Must accept beliefs unique to JW'S.

  WATCHTOWER. May-1-84 p.31 Stay away from literature that deceives
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  ....And what if it IS the truth????

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  MsGrowingGirl20: Remind yourself of this FACT. Even if it's NOT true, you are obligated to believe it and promote it, or you can be disfellowshipped. How does that make you feel? Bullied?
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  leavingwt

  Prove to yourself that 1914 is a date marked in the Scriptures as being special.
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  ....And what if it IS the truth????

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  Food for thought.

  "But once they realize that Jehovah was not behind what they had been “prophesying” they then change what they call them into…"
  “errors”
  “mistakes”
  “misplaced zeal”
  “unrealized hopes”
  “previous failures”
  “misinterpretations”
  “misunderstandings”
  “our understanding”
  “misplaced optimism”
  “wrong expectations”
  “hopes and expectations”
  “premature expectations”
  “misplaced expectations”
  “disappointed expectations”
  “errors in their teachings”
  “incomplete concepts”
  “inaccurate concepts”
  “serious disappointments”
  “formerly cherished views”
  “mistakes in their understanding”
  “views in need of refinement”
  “an expressed opinion”
  “cherished errors”
  “wrong beliefs”
  “old truths”
  “past truths”
  “expectations needing some adjustment”
  “matters on which corrections of viewpoint have been needed”
  
  
  "But when other religions teach things that the Society says are not true, they use a different set of expressions…"
  “falsehoods”
  “false stories”
  “false teachers”
  “false teachings”
  “false doctrines”
  “false prophets”
  “false prophecies”
  “false religious views”
  “false religious teachings”
  “false religious philosophies”
  “doctrines with pagan religious routes”
  “God dishonoring doctrines of Babylon the Great”
  “the disfiguring of God”
  “nauseating teachings”
  “God dishonoring”
  “pagan doctrines”
  “godless myths”

  Source: 'Captives of a Concept' by Don Cameron, pages 55-56
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  ....And what if it IS the truth????

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

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  Step 1: Leave this site and never return.
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  Is Biblical Morality Situational, Based Upon the Arbitrary Whims of Yahweh?

  by leavingwt in

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  is biblical morality situational, based upon the arbitrary whims of yahweh?

  murder is wrong... if god orders it however, then murder is right, and failing to murder is a sin.. .

  exodus 20:13 versus 1 samuel 15:1, 7-11. .

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  Please see the thread below for related discussion:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/222740/1/If-you-dont-understand-what-accretion-is-how-can-you-understand-Bible
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  Steve Hassan's books

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  at the moment i can't get these books, they are not available as ebooks and i can't risk having them in the house.

  but i have heard so much about them and how helpful they are that i am just wondering if any who have read them can give some insights they have gained from them that would be useful to know.

  thanks in advance.

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  leavingwt

  With the exception of a 'Recommended Reading' section in the rear of Combatting Cult Mind Control, the book never once mentions Jehovah's Witness. Not until Randy Watters read, and then contacted Steve Hassan directly, did Hassan have any idea that Watchtower was a destructive cult.
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  does the gb really believe or is this a game ?

  by mP in

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  im assuming we all realise the gb may be many things but the individuals are not fools.

  given the changes in ideas, formulation of new light and so on, do they buy the fascade they are presenting ?

  if theres anyone in there, surely they as men, know how very man made it has always been.

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  Which of the new GB would want to become the new 'Ray Franz' in the eyes of seven million people?

  Even if one of them were to realize that it's not true, there is no honorable way to leave. As discussed on other threads, at such an age, what can they personally gain by leaving? Who could they benefit by leaving? The faithful core wasn't moved by Ray and they wouldn't be moved by a new defection. Business as usual.

  We're the lucky ones. We've escaped.

  "Sounds solid to me. Now let me go prepare for my talk at the International."

  Indeed.
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  Steve Hassan's books

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  at the moment i can't get these books, they are not available as ebooks and i can't risk having them in the house.

  but i have heard so much about them and how helpful they are that i am just wondering if any who have read them can give some insights they have gained from them that would be useful to know.

  thanks in advance.

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  leavingwt

  You may enjoy these nine pages, in the meantime.

  http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=737
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  +$4.00 Gasoline. How does it change the Energy game

  by designs in

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  will it put pressure on politicians to approve the keystone pipeline.. should the nation's refineries stop selling as much gasoline as exports.. how does +$4.00 gasoline affect your monthly budget, how do you adjust..

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  leavingwt

  It's now $6 per gallon in some areas of California

  http://www.californiagasprices.com/