I am not so self-important that I would try to set myself up as the arbiter of who lives and who dies. Assuming the other survivors are strangers to me, I wouldn't really care which five made it into the life raft with me.
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22Are you really ready for big moral issues?
by Mindchild inwhile reading the abortion thread on this site today, i was reminded of a college class i took on dealing with ethical and moral issues.
i learned something interesting in this class and it was that just because we have strong beliefs about something, it doesn't give us any rights to impose our beliefs on others.. this is of course the "christian" way...to demand that their beliefs should be the standard by which we all live our lives.
this intolerance, or in milder cases disgust for nonconformers, is in itself one of the huge moral issues we face.. essentially, regardless of things being right or wrong, our world defines societal norms by community standards.
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Special Dub Words That Make You Go YUK!
by Englishman infor me, the word was "loving".. great "loving" kindness.. great undeserved "loving" kindness!.
disfellowshipping is a "loving" provision.. when the wtbts want their accolytes to swallow another bitter pill, another restriction, another rebuke, another demand on time, the buzz word is "loving".. the "loving" word, is, to the average jw, the same as the mccabe nod is to the salesman.
the mccabe nod is used by salesman all the time to get the prospective customer to agree to something that he doesn't care for too much.
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Being "used."
Even recently, I was talking to a co-worker about a promotion, and I had to stop myself from saying, "I want to be used more in the company."
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Towing Jehovah
by ThiChi inhey, i just ordered this book, "towing jehovah.
" any out there read it yet?
sounds like a gas........... ""a past winner of the world fantasy award, morrow could easily claim another prize, for the year's most outlandish fictional premise, if there were prizes for such things.
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I read it a few years ago. I felt like an apostate for reading a book with Jehovah in the title that wasn't from the Society.
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These letters will blow your mind!
by Dogpatch inthese letters will blow your mind!.
it's hard to beleive that one or two small-minded men in the service dept.
could be responsible for thousands of medical emergencies going bad or even death.
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I agree with your comments that Mr. Jensen shouldn't have anything to worry about... but that doesn't mean he won't.
I wonder how many crackpot (read: indoctrinated and threatened) Witnesses are going to write him nasty letters telling him how he's a pawn being used by Satan and the wicked apostates to cause Jehovah and his Organization harm? Might he even receive some "unofficial" visits to his home, given that his address is now up on Randy and Kent's web sites?
I suspect, too, that the administrators in Bethel released this information to push the Society's hand. They have to know there will be an investigation, and maybe they don't mind getting caught and DFd over this. Maybe they feel the time is right to force a change, and they're willing to sacrifice their comfort to do it. But this guy doesn't deserve the headache that will inevitably come his way.
Is there a reason his personal information needs to be included? The Society will easily track him down, but does he need for every half-literate teen-aged JW misfit-wannabe with a carton of eggs to engage in a little "spiritual warfare" of their own because they know where to find him?
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LAROUCHE THROWS RIDICULERS TRIPLE CURVE
by You Know inor this could be titled: "ridicule this!
" that's because the ridiculer doesn't just ridicule old men in brooklyn, or the bible, or the religion of their family; rather those so inclined ridicule reality itself.
the beauty of the truth, though, is that it is irrepressible, so much so that even some of the sons of this system can, by the power of reason, unknowingly arrive at the same conclusion jehovah forsaw centuries before.
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There are a bunch of other "Enrons" out there. Some are even bigger and will collapse with much more force. / You Know
Let me guess... by October of this year, right?
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These letters will blow your mind!
by Dogpatch inthese letters will blow your mind!.
it's hard to beleive that one or two small-minded men in the service dept.
could be responsible for thousands of medical emergencies going bad or even death.
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While I thoroughly enjoyed reading the letters, I question making the elder's name public.
Given the hullabaloo lately over "outing" ex-JWs, and considering that this elder is still in, wouldn't the material have been just as effective if his first and last name been blanked out?
He shouldn't really be in any danger, since he is not the one sharing these letters, but we're not talking about a wholly rational and fair organization, are we? I can imagine that this guy is going to be the subject of a witch-hunt, and accused of all sorts of vile things, treating with apostates chief among them.
Let me reiterate, I'm glad this exchange did come to light, both for his solid reasoning and exposure of arbitrary rules, as well as to show the Watchtower's attitude toward honest-but-tough questions. Still, it seems to be a breach of the man's privacy to spread his name all across the Internet without his knowledge or permission.
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I'v got to tell something this!
by voltaire ini've posted several times about how i'm fed up with the witnesses but my wife won't budge.
she's become a bit more tolerant lately, but mostly we get along better when we don't talk about anything substantive.
i've been working up the nerve to tell the elders why i don't go out anymore.
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Uno gets 'em every time. It's the devil's game, I say, the devil's!
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Darn Smurfs
by SoulJah inany one remember the smurfs; especially that evil papa smurf?.
the cong i attended even gave a talk about their evilness.. roumor was one even animated itself [little plastic figure] inside the k-hall.. this led to my sister having to get rid of her smurf collection.. i'd have to say though at that time it made me happy ;being she .
got 2-3 new smurfs every week, and they woldn't even ever buy me a hotwheels car
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Pokemon, which started out as a harmless kid's card game, was purchased by the same guy who produced the Smurfs.
He was a well-known Satanist, and has admitted in public that he sold his soul to the Devil in exchange for commercial success. His production company, DIC, is one of the most successful producers of children's animated programming in the world.
A young Witness boy said his Pokemon cards talked to him, telling him which combination to play them in during the game. He rarely lost, and even went on to win a big regional Pokemon tournament before his father made him get rid of all of his demonized Pokemon cards.
You want to hear the freaky thing...? At first his dad tried to burn the cards, but they wouldn't burn. They just heard an inhuman screaming coming from the fireplace. When the fire finally died down, the shoebox of cards was untouched. They finally took the cards out into the back yard and burned them inside a 55 gallon drum that they used as a barbecue pit. For the longest time the cards still wouldn't burn, until they called the elders over to say a group prayer. Then there was a frightening explosion, and no trace was left of the cards.
This happened in the Midwest US. I know because it happened to my friend's friend's nephew's best friend. At least... that's what I heard.
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Social Influence Part I, II
by larc inhello brothers and sisters.
lately, there has been a lot of discussion, re: who is to blame, the organization, the elders, the individual, or all of the above.. i believe that all of the above were trapped in a bad system.
i would like to present some findings from social psychology to illustrate the influences that make is very difficult for the individual to express free will, as we understand it.
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Interesting. Thanks for the response.
(Gotta remember: Butterfly on number 5... butterfly on number 5. I feel like I'm studying for a test.)
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OBITUARY: JACKSON, Ethel Devon.
by nicolaou inat almost 98 years old, ethel enjoyed a longer life than most so why do i always feel sad when i read stories like this one?.
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jackson, ethel devon, born in geary, okla., on jan. 23, 1904, as ethel devon nicholson.. she lived in kansas city for a time as a young woman, married and had two sons, victor and lloyd while living in st. louis, missouri.. ethel became one of jehovah's witnesses in 1950 and moved to los angeles with her husband in 1979. they moved to palmdale in 1983, actively associating with the central congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. she enjoyed discussing the bible's hope for mankind (revelation 21:3,4) the resurrection hope (acts 24:15) and especially did she look forward to the time on earth, when no one would say i am sick (isaiah 33:24) she knew that included her.. ethel fell asleep in death on jan. 6, 2002, at the tender age of 97 years, 11 months and 6 days.
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Nicolaou,
I understand your sentiment. Still... I don't know... ignoring the typical JW advertisements, it sounds like she lived a happy life. She died fat and happy, ignorant of the corruption that was around her. Sounds like she beat the odds.
If it had said she grew up abused by her husband, or in some other way totally miserable, but stuck it out because she looked forward to all the Kingdom Rewards, then I'd feel sorry for her.
She was blissfully ignorant. Good for her.
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