Posts by navytownroger

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Name something that JWs believe in that isn't in the Bible

by Awakened at Gilead in

my favorites are:.

"paradise earth": not in the bible.

"great crowd" of "other sheep" - two unrelated texts... put them together, and voila!, you just changed the destiny of millions!.

navytownroger

WHERE in the Bible does it say Jesus is the mediator for ONLY the 144,000??? WHERE in the Bible does it say the Greek Scriptures are written ONLY for the 144,000?? WHERE in the Bible does it say ONLY the Annointed can take the emblems at the Memorial?? WHERE in the Bible does it say to ONLY observe the 'Last Supper' once a year?? WHERE in the Bible does it say the FDS are God's exclusive channel?? WHERE in the Bible does it say ONLY the Watchtower Society can interpret Scripture correctly? WHERE in the Bible does it say NOT to pray to Jesus Christ? WHERE in the Bible does it forbid the congregation to hold 'large social gatherings"?? WHERE in the Bble does it forbid giving money/assistance to charities?? Inquiring minds want to know-----

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Adam unfairly treated?

by MacHislopp in

a friend of mine confronted me with this :.

adam : a perfect man - with a free-will - disobeyed god, was punished with .

death, no appeal, no attenuating circumstances and the sentence.

navytownroger

The way I see it, the entire Adam & Eve story is just made-up nonsense. The was no Adam or Eve, nor was there a Satan, a 'snake' or an angry Jehovah. Why in the world people still buy into this silly stuff is a mystery to me. If JWs want to believe it's true, fine. But I really don't believe ANY of it.

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Do JWs need the BoE as substitute father-figures??

by navytownroger in

what in the world really attracts new people to the jws??

most new ones don't know or understand the complicated theology, so i doubt it's that.

is it the love-bombing & friendliness?

navytownroger

What in the world REALLY attracts new people to the JWs?? Most new ones don't know or understand the complicated theology, so I doubt it's that. Is it the love-bombing & friendliness? The promise of 'living forever' on Paradise Earth? I wonder if people who were raised by parents who were very strict & who enforced rigid family rules would be equally attracted to the authoritarian rules of the WTBTS. Maybe they're hoping to recreate the family dynamics they grew up with: A big 'super-parent' telling them how to live & what to think. Any opinions are welcome.

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When Cults Collapse---

by navytownroger in

i was in a los angeles cult in the 70s (unrelated to jw) and finally at one point most of the cult members 'woke up' simultaneously & saw that the leaders had been emotionally abusive and oppressive.

once everyone woke up, the entire cult collapsed within days.

a similar thing happened in the communist countries----everyone suddenly got tired of being oppressed.

navytownroger

I was in a Los Angeles cult in the 70s (unrelated to JW) and finally at one point most of the cult members 'woke up' simultaneously & saw that the leaders had been emotionally abusive and oppressive. Once everyone woke up, the entire cult collapsed within days. A similar thing happened in the Communist countries----everyone suddenly got tired of being oppressed. What will it take to get a majority of JWs to similarly 'wake up' & leave the cult? What will be the factor that pushes people over the edge? If any current JWs are reading this, I'd definitely appreciate your views on this. But everybody's comments are welcome.

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The Revelation book

by donny in

i have heard the revelation book is being studied for the 4th time since it's release in 1988. we studied it once before i left in 1992. is it the same edition or has it been revised a few times?

navytownroger

An older woman who was in my former book study told me she asked the others after one Revelation chapter: 'Is this making sense to anybody??' I wish I had been there to see the reaction.

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Do JWs miss having large parties, pot-lucks, etc?

by navytownroger in

as has been stated before, large congregational get-togethers, cook-outs, baseball games, etc are now greatly discouraged by the society.

back in the 80s in san diego we had parties, night-time beach bonfires, pool parties and frequent restaurant meals with 10+ people.

do current jws seem to miss these sorts of social activities??

navytownroger

If individual JWs just got together quietly & decided to once more start having big social get-togethers, what could the higher-ups really do about it? What 'official' Biblical reasons could the Elders give to discourage it? But the R & F should just do it anyway. Where does it say in the Bible that 'fun' & socializing is not allowed??

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Do JWs miss having large parties, pot-lucks, etc?

by navytownroger in

as has been stated before, large congregational get-togethers, cook-outs, baseball games, etc are now greatly discouraged by the society.

back in the 80s in san diego we had parties, night-time beach bonfires, pool parties and frequent restaurant meals with 10+ people.

do current jws seem to miss these sorts of social activities??

navytownroger

As has been stated before, large congregational get-togethers, cook-outs, baseball games, etc are now greatly discouraged by the Society. Back in the 80s in San Diego we had parties, night-time beach bonfires, pool parties and frequent restaurant meals with 10+ people. Do current JWs seem to miss these sorts of social activities?? Are any such activities still going on? I recently heard of a large group of single JWs in California going on a Caribbean cruise. Are they the rare exception?

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The end of the gentile times....

by digderidoo in

i have been having a serious dicussion on another site with a jw.

so far i think i have got my point across regarding 1914 and how the date wasn't actually predicted.

whereas he has come back and said that they did in fact predict "the end of the gentile times".. to a point he is right, russell and his associates did say this.

navytownroger

'The end of the Gentile Times'???? Sorry, I hate to break the news to your JW friend, but there ARE no 'Gentile Times'. It's all a crazy delusion dreamed up by Russell, Ruherford, et al. So the 'end' of the so-called Gentile Times will never happen because it's just a figment of someone's fervid imagination. The world will continue to proceed merrily along it's path for centuries to come, totally disregarding the JWs crack-pot theories.

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Is this fair?

by nbernat in

this is my take on the whole inherited sin thing:.

let's say your parents committed a crime and were sentenced to life in prison, let's say 140 years.

now, they died 90 years short of their sentence.

navytownroger

When Eve took a bite out of the forbidden fruit, it was only a 'fraction' of the fruit. Per the JWs new blood policy that would be perfectly OK, right? Eve should have used that argument: 'Hey Jehovah, I only ate a fruit FRACTION!'

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Are JWs allowed to declare bankruptcy??

by navytownroger in

has anyone known or heard of baptized jws declaring bankruptcy?

if so, wouldn't that amount to 'stealing' from the businesses or persons they owe money to?

when you incur a debt, isn't there a legally-binding 'promise' that you will pay back what you owe?

navytownroger

Thanks for all the great comments. I agree that there can be legitimate reasons for people to file for bankruptcy, Chapter 11, etc, But I can't see why the WTBTS allows Witnesses to do so. The fact remains, the creditors loan money in good faith, expecting it to be repaid. Regardless of the 'personal circuumstances', when a Witness declares bankruptcy, the creditors get stiffed. Their money has been legally 'stolen'. How do Witnesses justify legalized stealing when they are always bragging about being much more honest than Worldly people? I'd like to see them explain their hypocricy.