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  Have you ever made the elders get so mad at you?

  by asilentone in

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  verystupid77

  Mad is an understatement. Hate me might be better.
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  Sometimes I feel like I am going crazy with the WT teachings

  by verystupid77 in

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  i went to the meetings this week because we have the co's visit.

  i have not been in about five months.

  oh my god some of the stuff you just cannot make this stuff up.. ok so like many of us i feel that there have been things done that are wrong in the "truth".

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  verystupid77

  I went to the meetings this week because we have the CO's visit. I have not been in about five months. Oh my God some of the stuff you just cannot make this stuff up.

  OK so like many of us I feel that there have been things done that are wrong in the "truth". Mostly about child abuse and how it is handled, or not handled.

  OK so this last meeting the CO goes on about discipline. This is where I feel like I am going crazy. He sites Hebrews 12: 6,11. Verse 11 says "True, no discipline seems for the present to be joyous, but grievous, yet afterward to those who have been trained by it it yields peaceable fruit, namely righteousness."

  OK so here is where I feel like I am going crazy. In what I can only call twisted words or double talk, it was like OK so maybe the elders do things that are not perfect and they discipline you but Jehovah is using them right? So what if you get disciplined and you feel it was unjust do you get bitter and hurt and upset. Do you let your feelings over what YOU felt unjust make you stop servicing Jehovah. Jehovah using the elders to help you ONLY because he loves you. So if they the elders offer you discipline even if you feel it is unjust or unfair Jehovah is only allowing that to happen because he loves you. So are you going to get your feelings hurt or are you going to take the discipline that Jehovah is allowing you to get and know that it came form Jehovah.

  I do not know but I just feel like I am going crazy. It just does not add up. It is like it scrambles my mind and I just cannot get a clear thought to from for hours after listening to this. I am like so OK if the discipline that is given is done wrongly, given in anger. If we are say disfellowshipped unjustly we still need to accept it because Jehovah has allowed it and Jehovah wants us to learn from it because Jehovah see a weakness in us.

  OK am I not getting something here. I just feel like I am going crazy.
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  How many of you have seen situations where the ELDERS DISAGREED?

  by BonaFide in

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  i have spent literally hundreds of hours discussing with the c.o.

  or other elders how some of us elders disagreed with a certain elders' actions and what could be done about it.

  or that a certain elder was doing a certain thing, or acting a certain way.

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  Even though I am not an elder as an elders wife I have had other elders come and complain to me about my husband and how they do not like him and what he is doing is wrong and how they are so right. What the heck do they think they are doing like I am going to side with them? Totally crazy.
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  A reminder for JW parents, including me and mine.

  by Black Sheep in

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  2. child-abuse

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvjscga5vbc.

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  verystupid77

  How sad that is what a lot of us raised in the truth could say. How sad.
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  There is no good reason to leave

  by verystupid77 in

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  2. scandals

  i have been thinking of this all night.

  have you ever tired to tell on of the witnesses that you are happier and doing better outside of the truth?.

  no matter what you say it is never a good reason to leave.

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  I have been thinking of this all night. Have you ever tired to tell on of the witnesses that you are happier and doing better outside of the truth?

  No matter what you say it is never a good reason to leave. It just reminded me of Releasing the Bonds by Steve Hassan. On page 52 he says "from the point of view of a mind control cult there is never a legitimate reason to leave. The only people who leave are weak, selfish, or cannot control their need for sex, drugs, or other addictive substances. In the mindset of the group, people who leave are incapable of sacrificing or transcending spiritually."

  I just had a conversation trying to explain that I was so much happier outside and that is the just of what I was told in a nutshell.

  Reniaa will have her two cents to say about this but whatever she say just proves my point I think.

  No wonder all the depressin in side the cult people really feel traped. Any comments on this?
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  Bethel and Prisons using slave labor for profit!

  by Witness 007 in

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  behtel has workers who are paid basically nothing!

  a small "re-inbursment" for expenses.

  prison is the same...making license plates for $2 dollars an hour....mc donalds resturants are not far behind.

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  Ray Franz touched on this in his book COC. I was at Bethel myself and I felt so privileged to be there now looking back it was so stupid. The more I know the more amazed I am at how I could not see it for what it is.

  I heard myself that when they lifted the 4 year requirement at Bethel they all cheered and said yeah we are finally out of prison it went right along with Ray's book.
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  How many lives have been RUINED by the Organization? Experiences?

  by BonaFide in

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  i think that some people deserve to be excommunicated, such as pedophiles.

  but what about the tens of thousands of others that have their life wrenched out from under them by being disfellowshipped?.

  and what about those that have a family member that died because of not receiving a blood transfusion?

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  I do not know if I can say my life was ruined by the cult but it has been hell in so many ways. I truly can say that I do not feel I have ever been happy in my life. I have had major depression most of my life in this happy religion. Somehow that does not make sense. Nonthing is ever enough or good enough or you need to pray more study more go out in service more, more more more never enough. That is a cult per and simple. There have been many, many times in my life where I just wish I could take something to sleep for ever and never wake up.

  I think how happy the people I see outside of this religon are and then I look inside at all the depressioned ones on meds and just cannot help but see that this is all so wrong. Why cannot everyone just wakeup.

  Just look at the pedophiles in this religon. They are hidden they clearly are hidden. The WT hates the RCC but they are in no place to throw stones. I sometimes feel so traped, I just hate what this religon cult has done to ruin peoples lives.
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  Wacked-out elder comments

  by sir82 in

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  we've got an elder who looks to be at the edge of a nervous breakdown.

  i didn't hear them say it was close.. [pause].

  brothers..... [pause].

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  [Lowering of voice by a full octave]...IMMINENT!"

  Oh man, you just can't make this stuff up!

  I loved that remark, I was laughing so hard you just cannot make this up.

  I went for the first time to the meeting last night in four months. OH MY WORD it was unreal. I heard that to about the convection too the system is so close that they can not even say how close it was. That this convection will go down as one of the greatest there ever was like the 1922 advertise advertise advertise convection.

  Oh my word was the meeting ever strange. Field service, field service, field service. It was like do not work over time because you could use the time in field service. What would you do with a three day weekend go camping and enjoy the family, wrong answer. Field service. What would you do if you retired play golf wrong answer field service.

  I was like you have got to be kidding me but everyone was just sitting there soaking it all up. OH MY WORD

  By the way if you can look up the word imminent in on the WT CD ROM and they were using that word back in 1955
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  did you find JW's expected products/services for free from other JW's?

  by highdose in

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  just wondering if i'm the only one whose experianced this?.

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  Thanks isaacaustin, I have just always felt so put down in the "truth" never felt good enough, could never make any friends. Never no matter how hard I tried. Elders do not even get me started. I always put my self down for that. Blamed myself. I have even been married to an elder myself for 22 years and still the other elders avoid me like the plague. Funny they will come to my home for dinner and when we invite them out to eat and we pay or out to the lake ect but never would they even consider letting me step foot in their homes. I just feel stupid so much of the time. It is like I am not good enough for them. And that is how I came up with the name. All of this is just so hurtful and verystupid
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  Did You Feel The Love As A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

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  other than feeling "love bombed" when you first started associating with the "brotherhood", did you experience the "love" in your years within the organization?.

  if you felt truly loved, was it in reality, a "conditional love"?.

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  verystupid77

  Thanks Mouthy