dealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ??
is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the wtb$??
and if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this?
Blondie
What say you on the fact they cannot die anymore?? If they are in the new system, being resurrected, what about the test at the end of the 1000 year reign... that looks like they will pass the test without being tried...
If they cannot die anymore, wouldnt that mean they would be in heaven, since being like the angels, that is the place they should end up?
Hi 007 - just trying to figure it all out
dealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ??
is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the wtb$??
and if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this?
Hi Blondie:
The WTBS says that those who die before armageddon and are awaiting resurrection, will be, upon resurrection, as Luke 20 says, like the angels, neither married nor given in marriage ,they will then not die anymore, so what are they, Princes on the earth,living as eunuchs, since they cannot marry--- and what happens to the sad mate, who wont be able to love this person again, in a sexual manner? Do they go their separate ways in the new system.. I cant see why we are living together for years in this system, but cant in the new one, and if one looks at the great number of people who have died and will be resurrected, there will be billions on earth who will be in this position, not being married or able to marry but be as the angels, not dying anymore..
just recently before the book study was cancelled, a young man started coming into my mom's home for the same.
she was alarmed and asked the elders, to please have him go to the kh for the study.
they ignored her worries and he continued to attend at her home.
Maybe there has been some issues along this line and that is perhaps, another reason why the home book studies were dropped.. the new member wont go to the hall for field service if they are bogus, but maybe would go to the hall for the meetings??????
just a thought --
dealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ??
is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the wtb$??
and if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this?
Dealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - Jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ?? is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "Princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the WTB$?? And if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this? I know some mates will say good riddance but then there are some good marriages who want to know... enquiring minds..
i have not seen this discussed here before so i thought i would share it with the group.
romans 10:9 proves that jesus is jehovah.in the jw's kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures they went to great effort to show that the tetragrammaton was supposed to be in the greek texts.
so, every time the name jehovah appears they show a footnote directing the reader to see how ky'ri*os applies always to jehovah in one or more of their j documents.
Back again Chalam /Stephen-
You quote John 1 where the word was WITH God, He was WITH God in the beginning --- so using the word WITH indicates two separate and distinct entities just like you are WITH me... you can be BY yourself or WITH someone, since we know the word was Jesus, he was the one who was WITH God, Jehovah or Yahweh... two, of the same mind, the same kind, the same in all respects, yet one Almighty and one lesser spirit creation. Nothing to do with a trinity, however that crept in..
Can you sit at your right hand? Can you pass something to someone if you are one and the same?? Logic dictates,No you cant.. and yes we are mere humans who really are taking a lot of the Bible at face value, but in all, through Jesus is our hope, he is the only mediator between God and mankind..so if Jesus were Jehovah, why a mediator?
i have not seen this discussed here before so i thought i would share it with the group.
romans 10:9 proves that jesus is jehovah.in the jw's kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures they went to great effort to show that the tetragrammaton was supposed to be in the greek texts.
so, every time the name jehovah appears they show a footnote directing the reader to see how ky'ri*os applies always to jehovah in one or more of their j documents.
So let me get this right, you are saying that Jehovah is Jesus!
Jehovah created Jesus, now we all know that from the Bible at Colossians chap 1, vss 15,16,17,18- Jesus is the image of the invisible God, FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION, through him ALL other things were Created. and.. you are saying that if Jehovah is Jesus, he deemed it a necessity to change his persona of a creator spirit creature?? and become infused in a woman via the Holy Spirit/Ghost to save imperfect humankind?? Does that make sense to you--- a creator of our galaxy, apparently millions of others, as scientists are now expounding, to do this himself when he has myriads of angels -not to mention archangels, at his command.. it makes sense Jehovah/Yahweh has a "right hand man" someone who did it all under his guidance and because things went terribly wrong, he (Jesus) had to come to earth to clean it up..
Jesus was called Mighty God, not Almighty God at Isaiah 9:6 KJV- he is a Prince - the Prince of Peace - notice he isnt the King of Peace and how is it that In Revelation we read of both Jesus and Jehovah?? Why did Jesus continually talk about his Father?
Now I know that over the centuries some scribes and copyists may have changed things slightly, and we have only copies of copies to go by as we read a bible compiled by the RC church way back when... but the scripture in Genesis when God said, LET US GO down indicates some kind of hierarchy was in play... and it wasnt Jehovahs witnesses who invented the name Jehovah - it is in the King James and many other bibles. So what if we call him Yahweh, so what, it still isnt Jesus! Two different names with two different meanings.
i have not seen this discussed here before so i thought i would share it with the group.
romans 10:9 proves that jesus is jehovah.in the jw's kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures they went to great effort to show that the tetragrammaton was supposed to be in the greek texts.
so, every time the name jehovah appears they show a footnote directing the reader to see how ky'ri*os applies always to jehovah in one or more of their j documents.
I'll try this again
This question of Jesus and Jehovah being one does not make sense in light of the Bible.
Remember when Jesus goes to heaven, he sits on the RIGHT Hand of God, that is clear in many Bibles, Angels are made to bow to him, who makes them bow?? When the earth is cleansed, Jesus hands it back to Jehovah -- why hand it back if you are one and the same and its already in your possession???
Reference one of the Bible Web sites- Bible Gateway being one - and check out over 50 Bible translations -- dont refer to just the NWT and KIT, you are getting a narrow overview of the issue...
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/pe_news_local_s_clergy14.47d1c14.html.
12:02 am pdt on saturday, march 14, 2009 .
by tammy j. mccoy.
He - the elder - said in court - she called HIM to come over -- and He went alone?? as a friend?? Why were there not Two Elders going to visit a distraught sister?? or why didnt she question him after a meeting in the hall?? I think the elders wife should be questioning him now... conspiracy theory..maybe the husband found out about the visit to 4 am and there was a fight, etc, etc and the death followed.....
Still a tragedy, no matter how you look at it, especially when money is involved, if that was the reason...the love of money is A root
last night was the premiere of the tv show "lie to me'..............it`s about a long haired jw kid,that may have killed his teacher..........he`s basicly a good kid..he`s on the school sports team and stalks his teacher..he`s crazy about her,he follows her around and takes pictures of her..he`s even got a picture of her,dead on the sofa.............when he`s brought in for questioning,he`s asked how he felt when he heard about her death..he said:"i prayed for her soul"(only long haired jw kids on school sports teams are allowed to pray for someones soul!..lol!!
).................................the kids dad is an overseer..?
?...he loves the lord!..he says lord and god a lot!..he seems to avoid the name jehovah through the entire show.......no one in the kingdom hall likes the dad,because he is a zealous jehovah`s witness!!
Totally agree with you Outlaw .. for a show about body language, eye movements, mouth,, sneers, etc... they didnt know anything about the witnesses, so where are their foot soldiers who should have worded their plotlines differently to tie in with witness thinking and wording...
the only mention of devote JW's was by the main character... if they are going to portray something, it should be better handled than this was
But I think its a good show -- it will tell all the thieves and nasty people how to control themselves in the future when being assessed or questioned by authorities - dont put your hands to your forehead, and dont shift your eyes to the right or left, dont swallow too hard too many times
TL
why do you think more women than men are drawn to the borg?.
years ago women were more likely to be home during the day when the jw's came a-knocking but i doubt that's the case today.. my husband and i were discussing this and i said that i think more male converts would have an issue with the authoritarian structure of the organization than the female ones.
also, i think the impositions upon a person's sexuality are especially difficult for men.
It was women who stayed with Jesus, most of the men left, it was women who were there after his resurrection and who went to the apostles to tell them he had risen, it was a woman he spoke with at the well, it is both men and women who are of the "annointed", it seems like the spiritually aspect seems to be stronger, maybe or maybe, males are decreasing in this world and we women are taking over!!!
