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  NATO INVOKES ARTICLE V - Serious

  by Amazing in

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  when nato invokes article v, it is more than just one member asking for support from the other member states, but article v invocation means all member states view the attack as an attack on them all.

  in other words, nato aliance is at war with those responsible, and will support the us lead, which will now hold not only the terrorists responsible, but hold those nations that host them as equally responsible.. "brussels, belgium (cnn) -- nato has unanimously declared the hijack attacks on the u.s. to be an assault against all member states.".

  "it is the first time in 52 years that the alliance has invoked article v -- the nato self-defence charter that says if one member state is under attack all other member nations would defend it.".

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  Hojon

  Well, there is a history of what the US can do in such respects, and the history is grim. They targeted sivilians in Vietnam, sivilians were killed in Bosnia and Serbia, and sivilians were killed in Iraq. Some "mistakes" were made, and bomb-shelters were blown to Kongdom-Come.

  Spare me.

  Look, Iraq was one of the least civilian-killing wars in the history of the world. We were extremely careful in our attack to only hit military targets. Yes, we missed a few but those became major headlines!

  Compared to WWII the Gulf War was incredibly low on civilian deaths. Don't bring that in here trying to use it to show that America targets civilians.
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  Why did people Jump?

  by bboyneko in

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  this was posted on msnbc.com under an article explaining why people jumped off the twin towers.. years ago, frederick says, a colleague of his set up an experiment where he subjected laboratory animals to excruciating pain.

  they could go into another chamber to escape the pain, but if they did they would get their heads chopped off.

  other lab animals were allowed to observe this, so they knew what would happen.

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  Hojon

  you also need to review you Watchtowers regarding suicide and
  gods mercy

  Go fuck yourself you preachy asshole. And while you're at it, why don't you review the fact that the Bible should be where you go to find out what god thinks about stuff, not the Watchtower.
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  Stand Proud America!

  by DannyBear in

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  god bless america!.

  this, from a canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.. america: the good neighbor.. .

  widespread but only partial news coverage was given.

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  Hojon

  Billy, I'll take you up on that. Here's something that I think is very "American" in many ways; heroism, selflessness and dedication to duty.

  Passengers' Actions May Have Helped Curb Tragedy
  By Charles Lane
  Washington Post Staff Writer
  Wednesday, September 12, 2001; 3:42 PM

  As United Airlines Flight 93 entered its last desperate moments aloft, there was terror and violence on board – but also heroism.

  Minutes before the giant airliner smashed into a field southeast of Pittsburgh, passenger Jeremy Glick used a cell phone to call his wife at home in New Jersey and told her that he and several other people on board had come up with a plan to resist the terrorists who had hijacked the plane, according to Glick's brother-in-law, Douglas B. Hurwitt.

  "They were going to stop whoever it was from doing whatever it was they'd planned," Hurwitt said. "He knew that stopping them was going to end all of their lives. But that was my brother-in-law. He was a take-charge guy."

  Anticipating his own death, Glick, who celebrated his 31st birthday on Sept. 3, told his wife, Lyzbeth, that he hoped she would have a good life and would take care of their 3-month old baby girl, Hurwitt said.

  Glick explained to his wife that the plane had been taken over by three Middle Eastern men wearing red headbands. The terrorists, wielding knives and brandishing a red box they claimed contained a bomb, ordered the passengers, pilots and flight attendants toward the rear of the plane, then took over the cockpit.

  The story of Glick's words adds to the account of passenger resistance already given by another passenger's mother on NBC's "Today" show this morning. Alice Hoglan of California says her son, Mark Bingham, also spoke of a plan to tackle the hijackers in a last-minute cell phone call to her.

  Flight 93 was the only one of four hijacked planes that did not smash into a major target on the ground, and some officials are already saying that the actions of people on board may have prevented an even greater tragedy.

  Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha, the ranking Democrat on the Congressional Defense Appropriations Committee, said at the crash site that he believes a struggle took place in the plane's cockpit and that the plane was headed for a significant target in Washington, D.C.

  "There had to have been a struggle and someone heroically kept the plane from heading to Washington," he said.
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  Stand Proud America!

  by DannyBear in

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  god bless america!.

  this, from a canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.. america: the good neighbor.. .

  widespread but only partial news coverage was given.

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  Hojon

  Well, like I said my purpose was not to try to negate it. I think it's a good piece of writing. IMO the age does matter because we have done so much since it was written. I mean, think about all the great things we've done since putting men on the moon. Advances in health care, science and technology. A more fitting tribute would have been something more modern I guess is what I was thinking.

  I had that emailed to me about 30 times today (after it was sent around about a year ago too) and I guess maybe I just snapped.

  Some interesting stuff can be seen about it here http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/sinclair.htm along with a recording of it. It was made into a record and the profits sent to the Red Cross.
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  Now Iraq is in on it ....

  by BobsGirl in

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  looks like israeli intelligence is saying that our old friend sadaam has hooked up with bin lahden to cook up yesterdays attacks.

  great ... this means war with an insane man who has chems and nukes and can't wait to use them.

  hold on folks ... it is going to be a bumpy ride.

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  Hojon

  Looks like Israeli intelligence is saying that our old friend Sadaam has hooked up with bin Lahden to cook up yesterday’s attacks. Great ... this means war with an insane man who has chems and nukes and can't wait to use them.

  Huh? I seriously doubt he has nuclear weapons. We kicked his ass pretty easily the last time we fought him, I doubt he's stronger now than he was then.
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  NATO INVOKES ARTICLE V - Serious

  by Amazing in

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  when nato invokes article v, it is more than just one member asking for support from the other member states, but article v invocation means all member states view the attack as an attack on them all.

  in other words, nato aliance is at war with those responsible, and will support the us lead, which will now hold not only the terrorists responsible, but hold those nations that host them as equally responsible.. "brussels, belgium (cnn) -- nato has unanimously declared the hijack attacks on the u.s. to be an assault against all member states.".

  "it is the first time in 52 years that the alliance has invoked article v -- the nato self-defence charter that says if one member state is under attack all other member nations would defend it.".

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  Again, who is this "they"? Is it the vast majority of people in Afghanistan? Is it the government of Afghanistan? Exactly how many people are contributing to hiding bin Laden? Should all of the citizens of Afghanistan be collectively judged and punished for the behavior of some?

  What if you live in Afghanistan and don't agree with the actions of the government? What are you to do?

  Well unfortunately those people will be killed. And that sucks, but it's the way it is. There is the real world that we live in and there's the ideal world where we could just kill those responsible.

  That's why they call it war. We have a military that has exactly one purpose- to inflict blunt force trauma on other countries. This is a case where it needs to be used. Will there be civilian deaths? Yes, unfortunately.

  Many civilians were killed in WWII. Should we not have fought German and Japan for fear of killing civilians?
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  Stand Proud America!

  by DannyBear in

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  god bless america!.

  this, from a canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.. america: the good neighbor.. .

  widespread but only partial news coverage was given.

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  Hojon

  Not to bring everyone down, that's a nice piece of writing but it was written in 1973. Gordon Sinclair died in 1984. That's why it talks about putting men on the moon and not more recent stuff.
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  NATO INVOKES ARTICLE V - Serious

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when nato invokes article v, it is more than just one member asking for support from the other member states, but article v invocation means all member states view the attack as an attack on them all.

  in other words, nato aliance is at war with those responsible, and will support the us lead, which will now hold not only the terrorists responsible, but hold those nations that host them as equally responsible.. "brussels, belgium (cnn) -- nato has unanimously declared the hijack attacks on the u.s. to be an assault against all member states.".

  "it is the first time in 52 years that the alliance has invoked article v -- the nato self-defence charter that says if one member state is under attack all other member nations would defend it.".

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  If they were hiding him in Florida we wouldn't need to bomb. The vast majority of people in the state would help us get him. We could then get to where he is and either grab him, or he would resist and we'd kill him (my preferred outcome).

  If he's in Afghanistan, you think they will happily allow a bunch of Americans to go waltzing in and apprehend him? Of course not. They would deny that he was even there.

  These countries need to learn that to harbor terrorists is to sign up for your own destruction.
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  NATO INVOKES ARTICLE V - Serious

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when nato invokes article v, it is more than just one member asking for support from the other member states, but article v invocation means all member states view the attack as an attack on them all.

  in other words, nato aliance is at war with those responsible, and will support the us lead, which will now hold not only the terrorists responsible, but hold those nations that host them as equally responsible.. "brussels, belgium (cnn) -- nato has unanimously declared the hijack attacks on the u.s. to be an assault against all member states.".

  "it is the first time in 52 years that the alliance has invoked article v -- the nato self-defence charter that says if one member state is under attack all other member nations would defend it.".

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  Amazing, I totally agree. Severe, swift and destructive retaliation is what will stop this.

  Look at Khadafy. He was a big man running around attacking US personell until we rained fire down on him. We killed his son. He left us alone. He even went so far as to denounce what happened yesterday.
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  Is Religion Evolving?

  by peacepipe in

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  after reading the post "mire of atheism" which is a really interesting thread, i came to a thought.

  when i first came to this board i wanted to add conviction to beliefs that i was not yet convinced of.

  when i first started studying with the jw's i wanted to find god in the world.

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  Hojon

  All religions have to change as science uncovers things. Like it was said above, religions 500 years ago taught a great many ideas that have been proven to be false by science. If they didn't change, they would not exist today. Can you imagine someone today claiming that the earth is the center of the universe because it is god's creation? They would be laughed out of the room.