Posts by freethinker2009

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Congregation Bible Study Comments - Week Commencing 6 April 2009

by LUKEWARM in

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" (1 corinthians 5:11-13).

(a) why is the disfellowshipping arrangement a loving one?

20 the disfellowshipping arrangement is really a loving provision from jehovah.

freethinker2009

"In other cases, the disfellowshipped relative may be living outside the immediate family circle and home. Although there might be a need for limited contact on some rare occasion to care for a necessary family matter, any such contact should be kept to a minimum. Loyal Christian family members do not look for excuses to have dealings with a disfellowshipped relative not living at home. Rather, loyalty to Jehovah and his organization moves them to uphold the Scriptural arrangement of disfellowshipping. Their loyal course has the best interests of the wrongdoer at heart and may help him to benefit from the discipline received."

Hello All,

First of all thank you LUKEWARM for doing this much appreciated.

I dont usually post or comment here, i will write my story one day and look forward to getting to know you all at some point.

I just felt the need to comment on the above verse as this will be me in a couple of weeks, reading this just makes me errupt in anger, the controlling tone, mixing guilt and "loyalty" to Jehovah with their mind control is appauling, i have actually thought of not DA'ing myself because I can't bear to loose my family, but on the other side of the coin I feel that I need to because i don't want to be associated in anyway shape or form with an organization that would use tactics like this to control their members. The fact that this book is called "Keep yourself in Gods Love" reeks of presumptious pompus pride that can only be shown by self righteous unfeeling men who feel they can tell you and me how to keep the love of God. Who are they to tell me anything! How dare they take my family away from me! I have been homeless 3 times with my family, we have endured through a drug addicted family member stealing from us multiple times, we have gone hungry and stuck together! twice we have had money stolen from us by so called "Brother and Sisters" my mother has had support from me and my sibling when my father commited adultry, we have been together for 25 years through thick and thin! I have not even told you half the things! What takes that away from me? What could take the love and support of my family who has been through so much? The verse above from a mind controlling self surving CULT who only want to hold its members and drag more in. If someone decideds its not for them then they are labelled apostate and cast out like rubbish! I have seen it happen, I have even shunned people, I am ashamed that I have done it! Nothing can prepare you for something like this.

Thanks for reading

FT09

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WT term "should be avoided" how do you understand it?

by ?me? in

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reading a recent posting from blondie on gambling, i saw a phrase that i have seen often in the magazines, and more notably in the flock book.

that is the phrase " (whatever activity or thought......... ) should be avoided" .

now if you ask me this leaves room for doing such activity, but clearly, well, kind of clearly discourages said activity.

freethinker2009

Most witnesses who hear that term will say they will not do it, "Should be avoided" means Dont do it!!!

FT09

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T-Mobile G1 google phone...any thoughts...it is amazing

by oompa in

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i am thinking about getting one...so many features it is mind boggling...can you believe the camera can be used as a bar scanner while shopping and will instantly tell you what the item is...offer user reviews...and give you the best prices in the country on the item?

?...including even used item prices on amazon??

?....this is star trek stuff here!.........oompa

freethinker2009

I have a G1 and the phone is great, it has a little way to go before it rivals the I Phone but for internet its unbeatable, it has a marketplace where you can go and download applications and games for free. its a great phone for a 1st try from google it brilliant the next one will be better and i can't wait for that. I hope this helps.

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What is the latest on the blood issue

by is there help out there in

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is it not true that a jw blood once it leave the body it can not go back in or they will be zaaped at the big "a".

when one has a operation etc.

and is give intervinse the needle is inserted and blood goes up the iv tube and when the iv solution starts to flow the blood then goes back into the body.

freethinker2009

I posed this question to my friend, i asked them if they would donate blood as we are now allowed to take fractions........i got a blank stare and she said she would not take blood in any form or fractions. I asked her what about JW's that would should they donate? She said no, i said then witnesses have no right to accept blood fractions as they are not willing to supply the very thing needed to make them. She said i was thinking like an Apostate i said no i'm actually thinking.

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Trigger words....

by Country Girl in

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have ya'll noticed that there is just a list of words, or series of words, that just triggers you?

words like: encourage, youth, paradise, new world, ya know.. words like that?

when i hear those trigger words i just sink back into another world and i literally want to vomit?

freethinker2009

PRESENT TRUTH WTF!!!???!!!!??!!?!??!

FT09

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The Reasoning Book is Inspired

by Thirdson in

that is what 2 jw ladies who came to my door recently told me..

to start at the beginning, periodically, these ladies have called and spoken to mrs thirdson but always on a week day.

mrs thirdson is always very polite and has accepted the mags saying that i might be interested in reading them but making it clear that we are christians and not interested in joining their religion.

freethinker2009

Its Suprising how many JW do not know anything about their religion, i remember a ministerial servant telling me that the watchtower was inspired, i told him that it can't be as none of the people who wrote it were inspired and are prone to make mistakes. He looked at me like i was crazy. I told him to go home a do some research.

One thing you have to realize is most witnesses will only know what they are taught from the time they come in forward which means, anything prior to them coming in they will not know. they will do no research into anything without using the WT pulblications so everything they read is heavily censored as to real life and the past mistakes of the watchtower. Even I have only just started looking into the WT critically. A year and a half ago I would have told you quite confidently that all the magazines and publications are inspired by God because I was ignorant to the facts. If the witnesses started doing history lessons into their faith the many people would come to see it for what it is. Instead all they have done is produce the proclaimers book which is huge and not very appealing to read, most dont even pick up the watchtower and read it so there is almost no chance they would pick up the proclaimers, plus everything in that book is watered down.

Bottom line is Jehovahs witnesses are so reliant on the Watchtower to tell them what they need to know they forget they have a brain and therefore do not use it to do competant research on the organization they serve.

Anyway thats my 2 pence.

FT09

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How many here still giving talks at the meetings?

by BonaFide in

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i have a talk tonight.

anyone else still giving talks or parts?.

bf.

freethinker2009

Gave one yesterday, just a reading.

FT

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Is it a badge of honor...

by 2112 in

...to have a family member df'ed.?.

i sometimes think it is viewed that way by many dubs.

i've seen many say it with pride, ive seen those dubs being held up as examples of how faithful they are.. your thoughts?.

freethinker2009

i don't think thats true i know a family whos son disfellowshipped and it seems more like a shame on them than anything, they never speak about him or to him its a sad state because the family was so close, of course they will say it his fault for falling in love with someone who is not a witness. Even the love of the family is conditional in this organization. What a waste of time..........

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Are the Great Crowd back out in the Court of the Gentiles?

by passwordprotected in

in 2002 the wts acknowledged that naos as per revelation 7 does not in fact refer to the courtyard of the gentiles, but in reality - and correctly - is a much more divine place.. quote;.

but as the heavenly elder said to john, the great crowd really is in the temple, not outside the temple area in a kind of spiritual court of the gentiles.

what a privilege that is!

freethinker2009

They definitly said they were in the outer courtyard, i can't remeber what talk it was though, he started quoting from a watchtower and read it straight off the watchtower disregarding what the scripture actually said. I could not believe it, all the people round me were nodding i know they have no idea about what is being taught. :( oh well.

FT

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New meeting arrangement - just over 5 months to go

by passwordprotected in

at the recent dc the new meeting arrangement was mentioned just once, but not to give us further details on how the new meeting will be structured or how the r&f will be cared for.. .

instead the audience was urged not the second guess the gb, being advised to look at how well the spirit has directed the org up until now, so therefore it will do so into the future.. .

but the reality is the congregations are only just over 5 months away from this new meeting arrangement, yet they know little about how it'll actually affect them.. .

freethinker2009

I am in England and it has happend here. Fact is they pride themselves on the unity of the organization, everyone studying the same thing. So they need everyone to follow suit so all JW will change get rid of the book study.