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Calvinism
by Calvinist02 in
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the basic 5 points of calvinism.

1. total depravity- all men are sinners.

we are totally corrupt and wicked.
hooberus

"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all" Isaiah 53:6
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." 1Timothy 2:5-6
"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Hebrews 2:9
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction." 2 Peter 2:1
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Edited by - hooberus on 12 December 2002 19:31:18
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Calvinism
by Calvinist02 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the basic 5 points of calvinism.

1. total depravity- all men are sinners.

we are totally corrupt and wicked.
hooberus

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Hebrews 2:9
Sangdigger said:
"hooberus, the first scripture you quoted was Heb. 2:9 "that he should taste death for every man". First of all, notice it doesnt use the word "MEN" but "MAN". But dont stop there. Read on to the very next verse. It says "...in bringing MANY SONS UNTO GLORY....." it doesnt say ALL MEN or ALL SONS. This explains Matt. 1:21 "And thou shalt call his name Jesus, for he shall save HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS."
The greek word used in Hebrews 2:9 for "man" is strongs #444 it can mean either "man" or "men." "that he should taste death for every man" means every man. The same greek word #444 is used in Hebrews 2:6 (a quote from psalm 8:4) to represent all mankind in general. The fact that verse 10 taks about bringing a limited number to glory does not take away from the previous verse the fact that Christ tasted death for "every man."
Sandigger said:
"I believe another way of looking at this particular scripture is this way: Christs shed blood was sufficient enough to cover the world, or all men. But is efficient for Gods elect. Basically, Christs blood will be directly applied to his elect, but was sufficient to cover the entire worlds, should they all repent. But man left to himself will not repent, hence man is responsible for his own sin. But Gods elect will repent in time, because God the holy spirit, quickens them."
Sandigger do you believe that Christ bare the sin of everyone or just a limited number of people? If you believe that he bare everyones sins but that only those who are Gods elect will be saved then you do not actually believe in "Limited Atonement"
Edited by - hooberus on 12 December 2002 19:25:23
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PROFESY + HOCUS-POCUS= Inconsistent lies
by Gerard in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i just found this from

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/1874.htm

i knew there was piramideology involved in their early hocus-pocus but it seems they could not even keep that lie a consistent one!!!
hooberus
daisy,
The 1993 Proclaimers Histoty Book has a small picture of the Pyramid . . . a great way to start a conversation with family. It even mentions the Nov. 1928 watchtower which states pyramid devotion to be satanic! And thus the WT was "turned away from Jehovah and his Word"
Therefore how could they have been of God during this 50 year period of time?
Since the Apostles never taught pyramidology, how did the light get brighter 18 centuries later when the WT started to teach it?
Why did it take the WT 50 years for then to finally realize that the Pyramid is satanic?
Why did Jesus approve Pyramid followers as his slave in 1919?
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PROFESY + HOCUS-POCUS= Inconsistent lies
by Gerard in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i just found this from

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/1874.htm

i knew there was piramideology involved in their early hocus-pocus but it seems they could not even keep that lie a consistent one!!!
hooberus

The 1928 Watchtower even went so far as to say that those who have devoted themselves to the Pyramid were turned away from Jehovah and his Word! So for the first 50 years of its history the Watchtower Society was turned away from Jehovah and His Word, hense they were not His witnesses! nor His organization.
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PROFESY + HOCUS-POCUS= Inconsistent lies
by Gerard in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i just found this from

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/1874.htm

i knew there was piramideology involved in their early hocus-pocus but it seems they could not even keep that lie a consistent one!!!
hooberus

The Egyptians used english inches for the inside of the Pyramid and metric for the outside.
78
Calvinism
by Calvinist02 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the basic 5 points of calvinism.

1. total depravity- all men are sinners.

we are totally corrupt and wicked.
hooberus

"To sum it up, in my opinion, the five basic doctrines of calvinism harmonize with scripture unbelievably well, and together, fit like a glove, and compliment one another."
"3. Limited Atonement- Christ's death was the sacrifice for the elect. Jesus came to seek and to save the lost. Jesus died for His sheep (the sheep are describes as the elect in John 10). Jesus' purpose of dying was made- to be the propitiation for sins."
DOCTRINE # 3. IS UNSCRIPTURAL
"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Hebrews 2:9
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." John 2:2
Edited by - hooberus on 7 December 2002 15:29:21
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The Eternity of Christ Part 1 Old Testament
by hooberus in
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2. beliefs
the following thread discusses the eternity of christ in the old testament.

please restrict your comments to old testament passages on the eternity of christ (i will start a new testament thread later).

"before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art god.
hooberus

"Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting." Psalm 93:2
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2
Psalm 93:2 and Micah 5:2 have a very similar reading structure.
The same hebrew word for everlasting (strongs #5769) used to express the eternity of God in Psalm 93:2 is used to express the eternity of Christ in Micah 5:2

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Edited by - hooberus on 6 December 2002 16:45:58

The Eternity of Christ Part 1 Old Testament

by hooberus in

the following thread discusses the eternity of christ in the old testament.

please restrict your comments to old testament passages on the eternity of christ (i will start a new testament thread later).

"before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art god.

hooberus

The following thread discusses the eternity of Christ in the Old Testament. Please restrict your comments to Old testament passages on the eternity of Christ (I will start a New Testament thread later).

"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. psalm 90:2

"The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was." Proverbs 8:22-23

Psalm 90:2 and Proverbs 8:22,23 have a very similar reading structure.
The same hebrew word for everlasting (strongs #5769) used to express the eternity of God in Psalm 90:2 is used to express the eternity of wisdom in Proverbs 8:23
Many recognized Bible transaltions KJV, ASV, NASB render the the third word in Proverbs 8:22 as "possessed" which perfectly fits the context as the LORD has always "possessed" wisdom.
The NWT rendering of the third word in Proverbs 8:22 as "produced" implies that there was a time when the LORD existed without wisdom. Also the NWT rendering "produced" does not fit the context as it is impossible fpr something to be "poduced" (verse 22) and at the same time be "from everlasting" (verse 23).
Though wisdom is pictured as being being female in Proverbs 8 and 9 it is often said to personify Christ.
If the passage refers to Christ it expresses his eternity.

Edited by - hooberus on 6 December 2002 16:34:46

Calvinism

by Calvinist02 in

the basic 5 points of calvinism.

1. total depravity- all men are sinners.

we are totally corrupt and wicked.

hooberus

3. Limited Atonement- Christ's death was the sacrifice for the elect. Jesus came to seek and to save the lost. Jesus died for His sheep (the sheep are describes as the elect in John 10). Jesus' purpose of dying was made- to be the propitiation for sins.

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Hebrews 2:9

"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." John 2:2

Who is Christ?

by Kurt in

this is a question for an active witness.

do witnesses believe jesus is the christ, the predicted messiah?

if not, is messiah still to come?.

hooberus

"Knowledge That Leads to Everlasting Life" page 65, see also page 36.

"In the fall of 29 C.E., Jesus went to his relative John to be baptized and thereby present himself to carry out God's will. On that occasion Jehovah anointed Jesus with holy spirit. Jesus thus became the Messiah, or Christ, the one anointed by God.

Question # 12. When did Jesus become the Messiah, and what life cource did he thereater pursue?

The "Make Sure of All Things" book even went so far as to directly state the Jesus was not Christ at birth. A direct contradiction of Matthew 1:18 and Luke 2:11.