noah: who is that?.
god: it's the lord thy god, noah.. noah: right ... where are ya?
you over there.. noah: what do you want?.
"God: Well never mind. Don't worry about that right now. After you build the ark, I want you to go out into the world and collect all the animals of the world, two by two, male and female, and put them into the ark."
Funny, but not accurate. God caused the animals to come to Noah. So there was no need for a "collection drive."
a have a couple of questions pertaining to the wtbts and "bible students" from 1914-1919 and onward that i would appreciate receiving your feedback on:.
1. does anyone know how many "bible students" (jehovah's witnesses) there were in 1919?
i know that wtbts keeps such meticulous records of their "flock" now, but i have no access to material that covers that time period.
MacHislopp , I don't have a scanner but if you like I will snail-mail you a copy.
a have a couple of questions pertaining to the wtbts and "bible students" from 1914-1919 and onward that i would appreciate receiving your feedback on:.
1. does anyone know how many "bible students" (jehovah's witnesses) there were in 1919?
i know that wtbts keeps such meticulous records of their "flock" now, but i have no access to material that covers that time period.
While we are on the subject of 1919. A key Watchtower doctrine is that Jesus found and appointed a Faithful and Discreet Slave Class in the year 1919.
A simple way to disprove the 1914, 1919 FDS doctrine is to simply show the 1919 Topical Index to the Watchtower Reprints. Under the "That" heading
"That Servant: An Individual, not a class"
Since the index summarizes the WT teachings up to July 1919 there was no FDS class for Jesus to appoint! I have a copy of the old index page which is probably not available in most Kingdom Hall libraries if you like I could mail it to you. I have never been a JW so I am not apostate.
The standard reply to such remarks is that there has been numerous helpings of New Light since 1919! If your points are not the latest WBTS thinking they are not considered as valid. This is how I would respond to the "new light" argument.
"Yes, Mr. Witness I know that the FDS teaching was changed in February 1927 to the current one that the FDS is a "class." However this is not the issue that concerns me. The main thing that concerns me is that the Watchtower claims that there was a slave class in the year 1919 when there wasn't one. In oder for Watchtower history to be correct Jesus had to appoint a slave class in the year 1919. The historical facts show that one did not exist, hense the Watchtower has lied about their history."
Here is another way to respond to the "new light" argument.
"Mr. Witness the Watchtower claims that the new light is progressive, right? . In fact the Watchtower first taught that the FDS was a "class", then the Watchtower claimed to have new understanding or new light that the FDS was an "individual not a class." So the idea that the FDS is"not a class" was the "new light". Then later the Watchtower returned to the "old light" and once again taught that the FDS was a "class."
Summary of Watchtower FDS teaching
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i was just thinking about myths because of some of the other topics about the bible being myth, etc...i also agree w/joseph cambel about the importance of humans finding new myths to believe in, to some extent.
mostly about the process by which we create them.
one way is via litterature...and not necessarily religious texts either.
Here are a few myths
hi, my name is paul (20 years) and i`m from poland.
my english is simple so ... i`ll try to make this straight .
i have a problem to find anwser to vers: john 18:6 .
They may have fallen backwards because Jesus stated his diety (his being God) when he said "I am" *
*Most Bibles say "I am he" but the "he" is not in the greek manuscripts.
Look also at Exodus 3:14 , John 8:24 and John 8:58.
i have a question, i asked my witness husb.
why witnesses dont call god by his real name ,yahweh, if their the only ones talking to god you would think they would.so i went on the internet and did some looking and found the name jehovah was interpeted by a spanish munk in 12 century.he was to study and reveal meaning of bible.then i read jews did not even use the letter j in those times,i told my husb this and he blew up saying jesus is not hes real name either.so my question is---who interpited jesus name ?if jews did not use the letter j and god is realy yahweh what is jesus real name?
why dont the witnesses want to be called by gods real name,i mean they take jehovah and use it for their title and they talk to god and hes name was started by a munk.i hope im making sense and explaining myself ok.thanks kls
if the governing body are spirit directed, why do they need to vote on issues pertaining to faith?.
if 12 governing body members vote, and say 5 vote in favour of one understanding but 7 vote in favour of the opposite.. does this mean that the 5 who were not of the majorityv, did not have jehovah's spirit on the matter?.
is the majority rule, the right one, the spirit directed one?.
What about the situation in 1917 in which the majority (4 of 7) of the board of directors were kicked out. The Watchtower has even said that the board of directors was the Governing Body back then!
So the MAJORITY of the GOVERNING BODY was thrown out! *
*based on a technicality of pennsylvania corporate law.
i didn't necessarily start this thread as a debate but moreso as kind of a survey.
i just wanna know what people think and a brief reason why.
i want to know how you think life originated on the earth.
Why believe that
goo turned into you via the zoo!
i realize this won't shake or suprise many, but it's again an example of dishonest writing by the wtbts.
in the sep 15, 2002 wt, the very first article is "the modern appeal of 'saints" on page 3 as a footnote, the wt says;.
"*canonization officially recognizes a deceased roman catholic as worthy of universal and obligatory veneration.".
While it may not be obligatory, Mary receives more worship veneration than God in the Roman Catholic Church
