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  If you have NEVER been a witness, tell us why are you here?

  by asilentone in

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  just wondering.

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  StoneWall

  Over the last few weeks I've noticed a tendency with some to either discount or try to minimize the words of

  those who were never JW's.

  I for one am glad that they are on the board contributing. It lets me know that our collective experiences and hardships

  of dealing with things JW related are having an effect on others,even to the point of were someone who was never a

  JW likes to come here and fellowship and contribute in our discussions.

  I myself have been known to frequent a couple other ex sites, such as ex-scientologist and ex-Mormon, even tho I was

  never one of them, just to see if their experiences were anything like ours growing up as JW's.

  It was a real eye opener to me to say the least of what I found out by going there and seeing how much they do have

  in common with us as relating to trying to fit in with humanity after leaving a high control group or organization.

  I think we should all take another look at what it says on the homepage of this website in the header. I will

  quote it real quick on here and underline the part I feel is very much relevant.

  Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum

  The place to discuss anything relating to Jehovah's Witnesses and the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society... or just make new friends!
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  How Did YOU Finally Leave The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  was it a long process?.

  is it still ongoing?.

  did you have a long range plan?.

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  StoneWall

  Minimus I would like to say I appreciate the wording of this thread.

  It makes me want to scream at the top of my lungs and shake people when they say, what made you leave the "truth"?

  I never left the truth. That's what got me started on this journey. I was actively seeking truth when certain things from

  the organization didn't add up (compute).

  I was raised in the organization and told all my life that we were all taught from the same books,magazines,literature

  etc. When I found out about the Elders book published by the society, and that the regular publishers(rank and file)

  didn't have access to it, that was a big turning point in my life as a witness. If there was just one piece of paper printed

  by the society that the common witness could not have access to or read,then I knew it was a falsehood to tell others

  that we were all taught from the same literature.

  I can not say that was the only thing that got me thinking of things differently but it made a huge impact.

  With me it wasn't necessarily the one straw that broke the camels back, but rather a combination of things and that

  was one of the final straws on the load that broke the camels back.

  Reminds me of Jesus saying at Matt.11:30 about "For my yoke is kindly and my load is light."

  In the organization it seemed they liked piling onto your load and making it unbearable.

  Thus my family and I just started fading from their view over the last couple of years.
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  Just like Frank...

  by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

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  you're just like frank.

  cabbie: "frank feldman.

  cabbie: "not frank feldman.

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  StoneWall

  LOL....now that was funny.
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  Story on ABC news program 20/20 tonight could have very far reaching effects and ramifications for JW's/ Ex- Jw's in regards to family relations in USA.

  by StoneWall in

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  saw some snippets from the show earlier on gma (good morning america) and i was surprised at.

  what a judge had already ordered in regards to a child of a divorcing couple, the husband is.

  catholic and the wife is a jew.. the wife was able to get a decree from the judge, prohibiting the husband from taking the child to.

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  StoneWall

  JeffT I am well aware of the fact that this is a civil case being that it involves divorce.

  But whether its Civil or Criminal court, they're both cogs on the same machine.

  The judge is supposed to be held to the same legislative laws as the rest of us in the seperation of church and state.

  I've been involved with some of my family in their cases of divorce or seperation and have never seen a situation where

  the judge/magistrate ordered for a child to be kept from any other religion than the one that the father/mother practiced.

  My view is if this is upheld even as a temporary injunction,where will it end?

  I can already see in my minds eye the lawyers up at Brooklyn Bethel watching this story with keen anticipation as

  regards child custody cases with JW's and how to keep the children from involvement with other religions.
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  Story on ABC news program 20/20 tonight could have very far reaching effects and ramifications for JW's/ Ex- Jw's in regards to family relations in USA.

  by StoneWall in

  1. social
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  saw some snippets from the show earlier on gma (good morning america) and i was surprised at.

  what a judge had already ordered in regards to a child of a divorcing couple, the husband is.

  catholic and the wife is a jew.. the wife was able to get a decree from the judge, prohibiting the husband from taking the child to.

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  StoneWall

  VIII thanks for the above link to GMA.

  Even on that link notice how the first paragraph is worded.

  I will quote it on here and underline the part that everyone should be concerned about in my opinion.

  Last week, ABC News spoke exclusively with Joseph Reyes, the husband in a bitter divorce battle who faces up to six months in jail for marching his toddler into a Catholic Church, cameras in tow, in defiance of a temporary court order that forbade him from exposing his daughter to "any other religion other than the Jewish religion."
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  Story on ABC news program 20/20 tonight could have very far reaching effects and ramifications for JW's/ Ex- Jw's in regards to family relations in USA.

  by StoneWall in

  1. social
  2. current

  saw some snippets from the show earlier on gma (good morning america) and i was surprised at.

  what a judge had already ordered in regards to a child of a divorcing couple, the husband is.

  catholic and the wife is a jew.. the wife was able to get a decree from the judge, prohibiting the husband from taking the child to.

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  StoneWall

  Saw some snippets from the show earlier on GMA (Good morning America) and I was surprised at
  what a judge had already ordered in regards to a child of a divorcing couple, the husband is
  Catholic and the wife is a Jew.
  The wife was able to get a decree from the judge, prohibiting the husband from taking the child to
  church under the guise of causing "irreparable injury or harm" to the child.
  This just begs the question,whatever happened to the seperation of church and state?
  And that the state would take no action relating to the establishment or promoting of one church/faith
  over another.
  If this story continues on its present course it could/can set legal precedence for other
  such actions, such as when a J.W. don't want their children taken to any church under the guise
  of 'irreparable injury or harm" to the child.
  
  The story airs tonight at 10:00 p.m. on 20/20 on ABC
  
  If you would like to see a couple excerpts of the show before it airs go to abcnews.com and
  scroll down till you see the link for 20/20.
  Look for the divorce turns into Holy War.
  I think this has all the makings of a line that shouldn't be crossed legally but appears it will and in
  that sense it would impact all of us to some degree in what can be done to our families.
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  THE FINAL VERDICT IS DELIVERED!!!

  by Hobo Ken in

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  2. friends

  this is the final of my series of podcasts in which the 3 circuit overseers decide my fate as a jehovah's witness.. my blog- deathorobedience.blogspot.com.

  podcast 12 the final verdict- play the audio.

  also available free on itunes (just search on itunes).. .

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  StoneWall

  Matt,

  I think you did an excellent job on keeping your composure when trying to reason with them and great job on the

  recording as well. To anyone that has never been in a judicial committee and wondered how they operate and what

  goes on in there, I would highly recommend that they listen to this.

  The thing that will stick out most of all to me is the way you ended it. Suggesting that they read 1 Corinthians 4:1-5.

  That had to be the most appropriate scripture I've seen utilized in regards to the circumstances.

  I honestly laughed out loud when I read it in the New World Translation (JW's translation)

  I bet at least one of those Elders out of curiousity went and looked it up like I did.

  That was indeed the icing on the cake so to speak. That one scripture told them what you thought of "their judgement".

  Once again I'd like to commend you on a job well done, because I know it wasn't easy having to go through/endure all

  that. When people ask me about courageous people or someone that is willing to stand up for theirself, your name will

  most surely be on my list. :)

  Best wishes and regards on your new life (the real life)

  StoneWall
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  Bethel snobs tell me off for wearing Rebooks and polo shirt to Bethel! Next time I'm going Nude!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2007 so we go on holidays and my wife decided to visit bethel.....i wasn't even planning to go to the meetings, so i put on running shoes, blue slacks, and a light blue polo shirt....clean shaven....to a "worldly" person i would look neat and tidy....a bit of a nerd even!

  to bethelites i looked like a slob giving the finger to jehovah!

  one bethelite girl asked my wife if we were "newly interested.

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  StoneWall

  From the thread title I thought you meant they personally told you off and you had a run in with them.

  Then I get to this part of your story which I'll quote:

  To Bethelites I looked like a slob giving the finger to Jehovah! One Bethelite girl asked my wife if we were "newly interested." {No} "Oh your husband didn't have a tie?

  So No one actually told you off, just a bethelite girl asked if you were newly interested because you didn't have a tie?

  That sure seems a long way off from telling you off.

  Am I missing something?
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  As a JW or Christian, how close can/did you relate to this short story of "Suzie"?

  by StoneWall in

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  saw this 3 minute video on youtube last night and it really hit home with me about how people try to rationalize/explain.

  things away.

  can you see yourself presently like suzie?

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  StoneWall

  Saw this 3 minute video on youtube last night and it really hit home with me about how people try to rationalize/explain

  things away. Can you see yourself presently like Suzie? If not how about the way you viewed things in the past?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7iXASIOdA
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  World's Largest snake found dead. Over 50 feet long! See Video

  by StoneWall in

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  this is a short video but shows the length and size of its body.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqg3pg2m9wu.

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  StoneWall

  I'll show my kids the moment they come back from school...

  Why is it people can't wait to show this to kids? heehe

  Sorta like telling kids a good ole fashioned scary/spooky story and watching their reaction.