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If god exists...

by dazed but not confused in

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if god exists, wouldnt it make more sense for him to show himself today - now that we are a more enlightened people?

StoneWall

If god exists...

I always ask this in regards to anything that is hard to believe in especially if it doesn't seem to want to be seen?

Ask yourself if god,angels,demons,ghosts,spirits, little green men from Mars do exist then why doesn't any of them appear or make themselves known? Why are all the pictures of flying saucers(UFO's) always so grainy and fuzzy? Why is it so convenient that now in our modern age with worldwide internet and camera crews that can post images from any point in the world to broadcast to the whole world, is it that for some reason they all decided to be shy and not show themselves to all or at all?

Why is it that god(s) evidently can't take the time from their busy work of managing the universe to prove once and for all that they do exist to all of us at once, and yet they supposedly have time to visit certain ones either in dreams,visions, revelations etc. and tell them what THEY expect of the rest of humanity? The time it takes to tell one person could in todays world be heard by billions.

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Why are the Jehovah's Witnesses not allowed to carry a weapon (for protection) during field service?

by I_love_Jeff in

if jesus allowed peter to carry a sword for protection, why are the jehovah's witnesses against carry a weapon during their "fun" door-to-door adventuring?

it seems jesus did not mind that peter carried a sword if we read luke 22:36-38. is it another case of picking and choosing what works for their man-made doctrine?.

is defending oneself a violent act, according to the jehovah's witnesses?

StoneWall

Matthew 26:52 [NWT] "Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword."

Rev. 13:10 [NWT] "If anyone [is meant] for captivity, he goes away into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. Here is where it means the endurance and faith of the holy ones."

The above are just two scriptures the JW's can/will use from the NWT in trying to justify their stance. In regards to Matthew you may have heard it referred to as he who lives by the sword will die by the sword or similar wording.

Also the JW's will say it shows a lack of reliance(faith) on Jehovah to protect his servants.

And when any JW's do die as a result of relying on Jah, then you get the spill about it was allowed to show/prove to Satan that others are willing to die for their faith in him knowing that HE can resurrect them.

They will usually follow this up with a partial quote of Rev. 2:10 "Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of YOU into prison that YOU may be fully put to the test, and that YOU may have tribulation ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life"

So as you can see if you survive without packing protection...Jah was watching over you...if you die then you were proving that you were faithful even to death and will receive your resurrection.

As Chaserious above pointed out, it's very hard to go to someones door saying you're there with Good News about Love and Peace all the while packing heat. And to them (JW's) image is VERY important.

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What's your favorite JW word or phrase?

by Sara Annie in

in a minimus moment, i find myself interested in knowing which buzz-words and phrases in jw publications stand out the most to you?

when i read wt literature, i constantly find myself astounded by how transparently cultish the language is.

in an earlier, unrelated thread, i said the following: .

StoneWall

The two that always got me were "provision and privilege"

Brothers aren't we happy with Jah's "provision" of ATM's at the Assemblies and conventions? We should count it a tremendous "privilege" each and everytime we swipe our credit/debit card in the furtherance of the Organization. It is indeed very happifying! Wouldn't you agree brothers and sisters?

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So we are created in God's Image and expected to freely forgive those who trespass against us..so why doesn't HE?

by StoneWall in

we kinda all know the scriptures about freely forgiving those who trespass(sin) against us and jesus words about forgiving up to seventy-seven times etc... then we take into account how god hates two sets of scales to measure with: (quotes from nwt).

proverbs 20:23 " two sorts of weights are something detestable to jehovah, and a cheating pair of scales is not good.. proverbs 20:10 " two sorts of weights and two sorts of ephah measuresthey are both of them together something detestable to jehovah.. so my question is this.

why not lead by example?.

StoneWall

John Kesler said:

The passages which indicate that Moses suffered vicariously not only don't mention any culpability on Moses' part, they explicitly say that Moses paid the price for the sins of others:

So in other words they weren't freely forgiven?

Cold Steel said:

According to extrabiblical scriptures, Moses was not denied entry into the Promised Land because of his iniquities, but because of the iniquities of the Israelites.

And this is God's Justice?

Let me ask you Cold Steel if your neighbor burned down his house and you appeared before the local Judge and he said to you, due to the fact your neighbor did such a thing, you also must give up your right to your own house and move out (through no fault of your own) would you consider that Justice?

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My Heroes

by ClubSandwich in

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i just wrote a special tribute to randy, barbara, john hoyle, cedars and paul grundy at http://richardekelly.com/blog2/jehovahs-witnesses/modern-day-truth-seeking-internet-vigilantes.

would like to hear your comments about these heroes of mine or people that you would like to add to my list..

StoneWall

Club I checked out your link.

Thanks for sharing.

You asked in your post who we would add to the list. I would for sure add former GB member Ray Franz since he was so instrumental in showing so many "the truth about the truth" (TTATT), whether it was through his books or personal correspondence etc.

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So we are created in God's Image and expected to freely forgive those who trespass against us..so why doesn't HE?

by StoneWall in

we kinda all know the scriptures about freely forgiving those who trespass(sin) against us and jesus words about forgiving up to seventy-seven times etc... then we take into account how god hates two sets of scales to measure with: (quotes from nwt).

proverbs 20:23 " two sorts of weights are something detestable to jehovah, and a cheating pair of scales is not good.. proverbs 20:10 " two sorts of weights and two sorts of ephah measuresthey are both of them together something detestable to jehovah.. so my question is this.

why not lead by example?.

StoneWall

FHN could you elaborate on your view of he does freely forgive everyone in view of the situation mankind is currently in with death,disease,poverty birth defects etc..?

Tec,

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.'

You have to see where I'm going next with this as you posted up above. No where in that scripture is it stated forgive them after they repent. If so then its not freely forgiven because it had a requirement attached to it.

I guess my biggest gripe is the way people word things.

I'd have no qualms with it if it stated forgive those who are repentant, beg for forgiveness etc.

It's sorta like when people talk about the gift of god, then telling you what you have to do to expect to receive that gift.

If you have to work for it or meet it a requirement. it's no longer a gift but a wage because you earned it.

It's all in how somethings worded which can change the total meaning.

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So we are created in God's Image and expected to freely forgive those who trespass against us..so why doesn't HE?

by StoneWall in

we kinda all know the scriptures about freely forgiving those who trespass(sin) against us and jesus words about forgiving up to seventy-seven times etc... then we take into account how god hates two sets of scales to measure with: (quotes from nwt).

proverbs 20:23 " two sorts of weights are something detestable to jehovah, and a cheating pair of scales is not good.. proverbs 20:10 " two sorts of weights and two sorts of ephah measuresthey are both of them together something detestable to jehovah.. so my question is this.

why not lead by example?.

StoneWall

We kinda all know the scriptures about freely forgiving those who trespass(sin) against us and Jesus words about forgiving up to seventy-seven times etc..

Then we take into account how God hates two sets of scales to measure with: (Quotes from NWT)

Proverbs 20:23 " Two sorts of weights are something detestable to Jehovah, and a cheating pair of scales is not good.

Proverbs 20:10 " Two sorts of weights and two sorts of e′phah measures—they are both of them together something detestable to Jehovah.

So my question is this. Why not lead by example?

If I recall correctly it was only one trespass that got Adam and Eve thrown out of the garden of Eden.

It was only one trespass that got Moses in hot water and not allowed to enter the promised land. (Failure to give God credit for bringing forth water from the rocks etc.)

So in each of these instances instead of following the "freely forgiving and up to seventy-seven times" etc. it only took one trespass/sin.

Calls to my mind the question of do you practice what you preach?

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Since Fluff is Allowed (and Often Preferable): Stupid, Asinine, Gross, Ridiculous, and other "Bad" Commercials?

by AGuest in

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for me, it's a "liquid plum'r deep impact" commercial that just sets my teeth on edge.

in it, the (mousey looking) "housewifey" woman (who is obviously married to an impotent tyrant and has about 8 kids) is in the grocery store, holding a bottle of the product, while fantasizing about the two guys who come to "snake the drain" and "flush the pipe, baby"... to a barry white-ish voice narration.

now, i have no problem with some woman fantasizing about some hunks... and given the success of the romance novel industry i would be a fool to think bored housewives are among these.

StoneWall

Tec you said you haven't seen the commercial..

So just for you here it is in it's entirety.

Now don't you be fantasying after seeing it... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7fz0jpuLkM

Something tells me after seeing this commercial a lot of girls going to be checking out the deli and produce sections of their local grocery stores in case they've recently hired some new employees. haha

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So, I had a thought about wicked spirits lately...

by sd-7 in

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the whole reason i even got dragged into this jw stuff, and we didn't just become somebody's return visit they never came back on, is because my mom claimed that the demons were talking to her.

they told her that the jws knew the truth about them, so she called the local kingdom hall.

bible study was started, and that was that.

StoneWall

partial quote of sd-7

a few times it took the shape of a naked woman and we did some really unmentionable things.

If that particular demon ever shows up again can you send them/it my way.

Edited to add: It sounds in the description above that it was a succubus (female demon). I'm going to try and post some pics and if it looks like any of them, send my way. It's only fair that if the angels(demons) of Noah's day materialized male bodies to be with the female humans then turn about is fair play.

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You know you're an old fuddy duddy has-been when..............

by Theocratic Sedition in

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justin bieber comes to town and you're scoping out all the mothers who're either dropping off their daughters or chaperoning.

self-facepalm moment..

StoneWall

You know you're an old fuddy duddy has-been when..............

You actually remember them saying stay alive til '75, and then it dawns on you that 1975 came and went over 37 years ago and yet you can't remember what you had for dinner yesterday.