i saw a new gb pic on a youtube channel i tried doing a google search for 2013 pics but nothing came up.
man, those guys got old fast!
they all look much younger in 2009..
Well at least they got a Black bro on the GB finally these last few years....before that it was all whites.(only took what a 100 years)
Now I wonder how long it will take before we see an Oriental or a Latino on there. I'm guessing it won't take another 100
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my wife and i are atheists, raised and living as jehovah's witnesses.
Maybe reason with her along these lines:
Are we made in God's image?
If so then according to Romans 2:21-22 it says this:
"do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself? You, the one preaching “Do not steal,” do you steal? You, the one saying “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You, the one expressing abhorrence of the idols, do you rob temples?"
So along these same lines of reasoning couldn't you say, you the one saying do not murder, do you murder?
Then point out Romans 12:17 " Return evil for evil to no one. Provide fine things in the sight of all men."
So does God not hold himself to the same standards he expects of others?
really, this should be easy if you have the cd rom (i don't).. somewhere in the societies publications, they try to denigrate the reliability of an ancient tablet by citing a source which shows big gaps in the translation (lots of [] and .
's) evidently because this tablet was so beat up and broken, half the words are missing, thus secular historical records are worthless, trust the bible.. if i remember this correctly, the actual source of the quote goes on to say something to the effect of 'fortunately the obverse side of the tablet contains all the information in tact' - a fact the wt conveniently leaves out.. i had thought this quote was either from insight or the all scripture book, but i can't find it in either.
anyone know what publication this is from?
Is it the Nabonidus Tablet you're referring to?
Insight on the Scriptures Volume 2:
What does the Nabonidus Chronicle actually contain?
Also called “Cyrus-Nabonidus Chronicle” and “The Annalistic Tablet of Cyrus,” this is a clay tablet fragment now kept in the British Museum. It primarily depicts the main events of the reign of Nabonidus, the last supreme monarch of Babylon, including a terse account of the fall of Babylon to the troops of Cyrus. Though it was no doubt originally from Babylon and written in Babylonian cuneiform script, scholars who have examined its script style say it may date from some time in the Seleucid period (312-65 B.C.E.), hence two centuries or more after Nabonidus’ day. It is considered almost certainly to be a copy of an earlier document. The tone of this chronicle so strongly glorifies Cyrus while presenting Nabonidus in a disparaging way that it is thought to have been the work of a Persian scribe, and in fact, it has been referred to as “Persian propaganda.” However, while such may be the case, historians feel that the circumstantial data it contains is nonetheless reliable.
In spite of the brevity of the Nabonidus Chronicle—the tablet measures about 14 cm (5.5 in.) in breadth at the widest point and about the same in length—it remains the most complete cuneiform record of the fall of Babylon available. In the third of its four columns, beginning with line 5, pertinent sections read: “[Seventeenth year:] . . . In the month of Tashritu, when Cyrus attacked the army of Akkad in Opis on the Tigris, the inhabitants of Akkad revolted, but he (Nabonidus) massacred the confused inhabitants. The 14th day, Sippar was seized without battle. Nabonidus fled. The 16th day, Gobryas (Ugbaru), the governor of Gutium and the army of Cyrus entered Babylon without battle. Afterwards Nabonidus was arrested in Babylon when he returned (there). . . . In the month of Arahshamnu, the 3rd day, Cyrus entered Babylon, green twigs were spread in front of him—the state of ‘Peace’ (sulmu) was imposed upon the city.”—Ancient Near Eastern Texts, p. 306.
It may be noted that the phrase “Seventeenth year” does not appear on the tablet, that portion of the text being damaged. This phrase is inserted by the translators because they believe that Nabonidus’ 17th regnal year was his last. So they assume that the fall of Babylon came in that year of his reign and that, if the tablet were not damaged, those words would appear in the space now damaged. Even if Nabonidus’ reign was of greater length than is generally supposed, this would not change the accepted date of 539 B.C.E. as the year of Babylon’s fall, for there are other sources pointing to that year. This factor, however, does lessen to some extent the value of the Nabonidus Chronicle.
While the year is missing, the month and day of the city’s fall, nevertheless, are on the remaining text. Using these, secular chronologers calculate the 16th day of Tashritu (Tishri) as falling on October 11, Julian calendar, and October 5, Gregorian calendar, in the year 539 B.C.E. Since this date is an accepted one, there being no evidence to the contrary, it is usable as a pivotal date in coordinating secular history with Bible history
and oldie but goodie - sharing the love!.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzmregz_gi.
That ones good..
But I have to say I prefer Bon Jovi's "It's my Life"
Lot of the lyrics are almost like they were wrote with ex-JW's in mind
i am an inactive jw.
i havent been on this forum for a few months and have been lurking in others.
i have met a few people in real life and online, both on this forum and on others.
sinis said:
...because I can show you story after story after story on here and elsewhere, where people are fading for YEARS and are as miserable as they were on day one! ...and usually in the end they lose something or someone, they were trying to avoid for all those years...
And I personally know of many that are "fading/faded" for years that are happy and no longer attend meetings but still get to talk to their families.
I will include myself in this. Not DF'd or DA'd.
Some of my family don't have as much to say to me since I haven't attended meetings in years. But I guess that is understandable since we don't have as much in common anymore. Their life revolves around the WT and telling/talking about it, whereas my life revolves around enjoying each day to its fullest. We still extend courtesy to each other but if they start bringing up the religious aspect I either change the topic or say I'm happy for you and hope you can be happy for me.
But I will point out that if my circumstances were different and didn't have so many family still in, and it was just me ....I would have said "GOOD-BYE" to them long ago and could care less then if they DF me or not.
So I can see it both ways. For those without as much to lose it probably is better to cut the cord (DA/DF) but for those with so much more at stake I'd say the "inactive Fader" way might be the more prudent choice. But each will have to decide on their own circumstances.
i can relate to what you're going through because i'm still in the "witness protection program" so to speak, due to family etc.. i would just like to make some recommendations/suggestions to help you with damage control because i hate knowing that you are having to face this in your lives at this time in addition to whatever else you're currently dealing with.. to me it is imperative that you take a proactive/preemptive stance in being able to get through this realtively unscathed if possible.. and it can be done.. first post on your wall on fb that you found out the hardway that facebooks privacy and security settings leave a lot to be desired.. let your friends/family know that you were not aware that others, without your knowledge or consent could add you to many groups out there whether you wanted to or not.. make sure not to name this particular "association or organization" in your message so as not to draw even more undue attention to you or/and it.. this way it further distances you to any perceived ties they may have that linked you with it.
by not using the name it also shows that there are others groups you may have been added to without permission not just this one.
that way it is all inclusive and it will help in your defense to draw attention away from what that one's main focus is.. then you can finish up by stating that you have taken steps to remove your name from this group as well as any others that someone may have added your name to without your knowledge.. you may also want to add that if anyone see's where your name has been added to a group that they would find hard to believe that you would join, to please send you a pm since everything doesn't show up on your personal wall and you may have no knowledge of it.. this is only my suggestions and you can use it to your advantage if so desire.
Just bumping this up again in hopes it can help any since I saw more threads relating to FB.
If you feel you have been compromised, don't rely on whoever may have put you in that situation to get you out.
No one will look after your interest better than "you".
If anyone else has some suggestions or feedback that may help these ones please feel free to share.
Didn't Texas already try something similar to this same thing?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548931/rick-perry-dismisses-texas-secession-talk/
And now its California's time to try....as posted above,good luck on that.
stop being a tool for an agenda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what happened to you was terrible, but seeing you used as a tool for a political agenda is like watching you get raped without knowing it.
we believe guns hurt and killed people you care about, but we also belileve these people had mental illness.
Whats the big deal about a background check anyways?
Think of this....when I go out to purchase alcohol (beer,wine,liquor etc..) they're supposed to ask for ID in the states to make sure you are of age.
This is of itself a check into my background, since they can see my date of birth on the ID as well as my full name etc. (generally address on it too)
Why don't the vass majority get upset and make a fuss over this invasion of privacy?
It could even be argued that they can track all my/your purchases and how often you bought alcohol. (credit card,debit etc.)
Something tells me this has less to do with privacy/background concerns and more to do with firearm sales.
this is a serious question and i hope to receive intelligent explanations.. .
the wts says that the great tribulation lies in the future.
they write that it will start when the united nations attacks christendom.. .
What exactly does the WTS mean by "Christendom"? Are these the nations where Christianity is the dominant or national religion? But aren't these nations members of the UN?
As far back as I can recall the WT (JW's) have always referred to Christendom as all false religions that are claiming to follow Christ.
It is the predominant part of Babylon the Great (all false religion, the Great Harlot).
JW's think of themselves as the only ones representing true Christianity.
So the UN (Image of the Beast) is all the nations it represents finally turning on the Harlot(Babylon the Great) at some point.
if and when you deposit the check from me in your own bank--what happens to my actual personal wealth?.
2.what happens to my ability to use my entire personal wealth?
so, how do we answer the question of what happens to you when you die?.
hmmmmm isn't this the same thing that The Who wanted to know? Who are you?
Years ago and yet the question remains the same. Who are you?
