Did you ever actually understand most of the doctrine when you were a JW? Or did you think that you didn't understand it because you didn't study enough? That there were people who were somehow smarter than you or not as lazy, so you believed "paradise earth" or "1914 calculations" COULD actually be understood by someone, and if you just took the time to figure it out it would be clear to you?
That's what I thought about Paradise Earth. I really believed it was very clear in the bible, and I had just never actually sat down to look it over. I spent YEARS thinking "I should really do that someday."
Then, one day, I realized that it WASN'T so clearly there after all, and I WASN'T just lazy or dumb.
The beginning of the end.
halcyon
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Did you understand doctrine when you were "in"?
by halcyon indid you ever actually understand most of the doctrine when you were a jw?
or did you think that you didn't understand it because you didn't study enough?
that's what i thought about paradise earth.
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SEX
by billie jean ini don't mean to sound crude but ive always wondered what witnesses are allowed to do in their marriage (sex wise) only i always imagined that they wouldn't ever deviate from the 'missionary possition' and what about oral sex, is that allowed ?.
i spoke to an 'on the fence' old friend of mine a while ago he'd recently married and he said that a sister in their congregation had told his wife that anything other than 'missionary' was totaly out, he was angry at this statement and told me he thought it was "a matter of conscience" .
but i'm still curious !
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halcyon
>There was never an issue of wrong sex positions etc ,most die hard lifer sisters were as frigid as the south pole .To keep the husbands at bay they would all get the "SISTERS" disease - Candida and excuse themselves from their scriptual obligations!
And yet I've scoured the materials and there's NO specific, pointed advice on the need to step up to the plate and better please your mate. It's all about the Do-Nots.
I'm a woman who was in a sexless marriage. I looked for articles to help him appreciate that I needed sex on a regular basis. NOTHING.
I also asked a former elder if a low-libido issue was ever brought to him for advice, and he said no, never. -
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This economy is worse than divorce....really....
by oompa init has taken half of everything i had........but i still have my wife!..........................oompa
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halcyon
what about if you are getting a divorce in this economy? Especially a woman, to think about starting over when things are so bad, maybe having to sell the house (will it sell?) and maybe move (can I get credit anymore to afford a new place?) and get a new or better-paying job (are there jobs to be gotten?), to rely on one credit rating rather than two.
It's scary and almost makes a person want to stay in a miserable negative marriage, just to survive.... -
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by billie jean ini don't mean to sound crude but ive always wondered what witnesses are allowed to do in their marriage (sex wise) only i always imagined that they wouldn't ever deviate from the 'missionary possition' and what about oral sex, is that allowed ?.
i spoke to an 'on the fence' old friend of mine a while ago he'd recently married and he said that a sister in their congregation had told his wife that anything other than 'missionary' was totaly out, he was angry at this statement and told me he thought it was "a matter of conscience" .
but i'm still curious !
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halcyon
Ps. I read the WT materials against oral. It pretty much proclaims that 1) oral is disgusting, and 2) your wife would hate it and you'd be forcing it on her.
But I never read any actual source material PROVING the disgust factor. It was just assumed. -
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by billie jean ini don't mean to sound crude but ive always wondered what witnesses are allowed to do in their marriage (sex wise) only i always imagined that they wouldn't ever deviate from the 'missionary possition' and what about oral sex, is that allowed ?.
i spoke to an 'on the fence' old friend of mine a while ago he'd recently married and he said that a sister in their congregation had told his wife that anything other than 'missionary' was totaly out, he was angry at this statement and told me he thought it was "a matter of conscience" .
but i'm still curious !
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halcyon
Homosexuals kiss. Should witnesses not kiss?
Homosexuals also eat, walk, poop, wear clothes, drive, and sleep in beds. Taboo activities for JWs now?
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Would you legalize Polygamy?
by sammielee24 init appears that so far almost 300 of the cases from the texas raid have been investigated and dropped.
one girl - the one who has wed to jessop, was placed in foster care.. removing the isolationist tendancies of the mormon group and that specific religion - if the state wanted to legalize polygamy, would you agree or disagree?
the issue of gay marriages has come up and been voted on - but if people could legally wed as adults and have more than one wife, complete with the responsibilities that legal marriages come with - what would the objection be?
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halcyon
I appreciate so many different men for so many different reasons, and don't want to reject one for another. I want both. I want the guy who makes me laugh with his puns, as well as the cute young dancer with the Irish accent, and the smart professor, and the old guy who really cares about me and would do anything for me, and .....
.... and I really do think I could share them with other women, as long as the other women weren't jealous either. -
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maybe it was a test to root out the mole(s) within ....
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*** Proof ! Angels really do walk the earth ***
by FlyingHighNow inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn5l5u92_54&feature=related
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halcyon
Thanks! I saw her sing the semi-finals, and while the girl is amazingly talented for her age, I'm glad Potts actually won the contest. Connie has a long future ahead of her. The natural support and vibrato in her voice is astounding, her pitch is near perfect, and when she learns how to control her singing she's going to storm the world.
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*** Proof ! Angels really do walk the earth ***
by FlyingHighNow inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn5l5u92_54&feature=related
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Does anyone know what happened with Connie at the next round? I know I saw this snippet maybe a year ago so the contest is obviously over.
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Make a statement you have found to be TRUE.
by gaiagirl injw's like to refer to their body of beliefs as "the truth", even when those beliefs are adjusted or even reversed, giving rise to the question 'if this is "the truth", then what were the beliefs which were promoted as "the truth" until the change'?.
state something you have actually found to be "true", in the sense that, in your experience, it agrees with what is observed in the real world.. .
i'll start: knowledge is power
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halcyon
>The qualities/traits/actions we most despise in others, are the ones we refuse to recognize in ourselves. Once we realize other people are our mirror images, and we acknowledge said qualities/traits/actions in ourselves, we can change.
Yes but that's so HARD!