Posts by hybridous

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Imagine If The World Was Ruled By Just One Government/Kingdom

by Brokeback Watchtower in

first off to go would be information deemed unfit for heavily indoctrinated subjects.

no rival governments less freedom granted by existing ruler, just cogs in a huge fucking wheel would humans become.. no appealing to the masses of the benefits of their government and the horrors of the opposition.

they are all this generation knows.

hybridous

No need for a huge army - but be guaranteed that one would nevertheless exist to stamp out dissent and enforce the will of the state,

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Imagine If The World Was Ruled By Just One Government/Kingdom

by Brokeback Watchtower in

first off to go would be information deemed unfit for heavily indoctrinated subjects.

no rival governments less freedom granted by existing ruler, just cogs in a huge fucking wheel would humans become.. no appealing to the masses of the benefits of their government and the horrors of the opposition.

they are all this generation knows.

hybridous

Yes. Good thought experiment!

I would also predict a largely dysgenic effect. As humans are conditioned to abandon the use their higher, abstract powers of reasoning, I expect those abilities would wane as generations pass.

'Once we were conditioned to not ask certain questions. Later, no one even knew that those used to be questions to ask.'

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My return to the WT...a terrible mistake

by JustHuman14 in

i haven't posted for quite a bit, decided to share my thoughts on this one, so it is a reference topic for anyone who decides to return back to the org, knowing all about the tatt.

being way for quite long for almost 15 years and all wt's activities, i have missed quite a lot including the "new light" latest updates, i found it quite hard to follow up what was going on to the meetings.

new songs, wt broadcast, videos, internet (so wt now is in favor of the internet) cartoons, and everything seemed completely new and weird to me.. reason for going back it was the severe pressure from close family members to return back to the "truth".

hybridous

I appreciate you taking the time to write all of this...

You never know when your story will hit the eyes of someone else in a vulnerable position...

All you can do, really, is what is right for you in your own particular place and time...

You mentioned your mother, and how difficult the striking of the balance can be, when your own heart isn't in it, because you simply don't believe anymore...

I wish that I, or someone else here, could simply offer to you the correct steps forward, and that you could proceed from there...

Things here aren't so easy, are they? You seem to be wearing thin from proximity to the JW life...and I understand this well. You see, the JW life taxes your soul, your conscience...and even moreso once you wake up and admit to yourself and others that you simply DON'T BELIEVE...

And as empty as that is, it spells out why such a life is simply not worth it.

Please try, for your own sake, as well as others...to take it all in stride. Sudden moves will have lasting effects that your may later regret. Move toward your goal of fading slowly, and steadily.

Come back here often, for information, or just for support on your journey! We're rooting for you!

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Karl Marx Genius Of The Modern World

by Brokeback Watchtower in

he was all for getting rid of religions and their delusions for the betterment of mankind.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mydmc1wio8.

hybridous

It isn't too hard to see why nations that attempt to implement Marxism have deplorable human rights records....

Property begins with ownership of self. Remove the simple premise that a person owns themselves and all manner of atrocities are justifiable.

Claims of 'common good' don't often bear the scrutiny of just how 'common' the supposed 'good' is.

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Karl Marx Genius Of The Modern World

by Brokeback Watchtower in

he was all for getting rid of religions and their delusions for the betterment of mankind.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mydmc1wio8.

hybridous

In his analysis of the movement of history, Marx predicted the breakdown of capitalism, and the establishment in time of a communist society in which class-based human conflict would be overcome. The means of production would be held in the common ownership and used for the common good. In the mention of "human liberation" one should not neglect that, in the level of production, solely the working class is the most oppressed. But either way in the prediction of the future, one shall first know of the past (i.e. the establishment of capitalism and the transitional part of feudalism).

Well, then the historical record finds Marx to be fantastically wrong. Communist societies, instead of eliminating class-based conflict, ensconced it, and perpetuated it. The upper class being those connected to the powers and levers of government, and the lower class being: everyone else.

What's with the reliance on these very bull-crappy imprecise terms like 'common-good'? This is subjective, and probably very intentionally so, since the only definition that matters is the one wielded by those in power.

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UK Terrorists attacks

by Phoebe in

jw
friends

i don't know if anyone has talked about this yet, forgive me if they have.

but i am just so, so sad that yet more innocent lives have been so brutally taken.

we've now had three attacks in three months and there has been countless terror attacks stopped by the police.. my jw acquaintances see these attacks as proof the end is near.

hybridous

Well, there's hope that people entertain while sitting on their hands, taking no assertive positive action, and merely wishing for a magical turn of events...

And then, there's hope based on sensible theory, rational actions toward a desired objective, and periodic evaluation along the way, to see if the actions are bringing progress toward the goal.

I am about out of 'hope' in any fashion. We are this far in the hole, and cannot even glean a meaningful consensus that there is a real problem which ought to be addressed.

I do think that somewhere down the line, as the bodies pile up, we may approach such a consensus. but only after much more needless violence and death will nature's survival instincts guide our decisions.

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Anyone read the latest Awake (on the supernatural)?

by LoveUniHateExams in

just read some of this latest awake on the org's webshite.. it begins by talking about the 'supernatural' - wizards, witches, vampires, etc.

- their popularity and why they might appeal to people.

then it goes on to state the wt belief that someone is 'behind it'.. now, i like a few horror/scary films - when i was a kid, i always actually liked being a bit scared by them, tbh.. the silence of the lambs, a nightmare on elm street (1984), the ring, the witch, the thing (1982) and a few others are all great, imo.. they are just genres and subgenres of film, that's all.

hybridous

Has anybody here seen this film? Would you recommend it?

Halloween (1978), IMO, really set the bar for much of what followed...

By all means, if you enjoy the genre, be sure to watch this one!

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The Trump Connection

by Coded Logic in

i'm a little dumb struck to see that donald trump's first cross word against russia are in support of the jws.. http://fox-news24.com/trump-warns-russia-over-jehovahs-witnesses-ban-and-urges-members-to-seek-asylum-in-the-us/.

is this because trump genuinely values freedom of religion?

or is it because his son in law jared kushner has financial dealings with the jws?

hybridous

'Fake News' is becoming whatever anyone, anywhere, doesn't want to hear.

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Could a petition to make shunning illegal work?

by aboveusonlysky in

jw
friends

we're currently watching leah remini's series about scientology and the main thing she seems to focus on is the shunning policies of the scientology organization which let's face it are very similar to jw procedure.. i was wondering with all that's in the media recently about bullying could a petition be put together to get the goverment to consider making religiously mandated shunning illegal?

has such a thing been tried before?.

https://petition.parliament.uk/help says the following - .

hybridous

This is a fascinating discussion.

I am trying to think of any activity, (or IN-activity) that a free person is legally entitled to engage in, but which otherwise may not be encouraged/endorsed for a group.

I am thinking that conspiracies to commit crimes are punishable offenses, but because then the crimes themselves are punishable offences.

I am having a hard time imagining how to justify punishing conspiracy to encourage/endorse perfectly legal choices.

The belief in WT is what gives shunning it's teeth. That's how the policy is carried out. Not some armed force that bodily compels adherence to the commands. That makes it more difficult to fathom, IMO, that our friends and family who might shun us are so thoroughly duped (or scared of being shunned themselves) that the internal calculus yields an answer that the continuance of the relationship isn't worth it.

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When can I let my guard down?

by hybridous in

quick background:.

born-in, but never baptized.

remainder of family still (by all appearances) loyal dubs.

hybridous

Hi there, TD, et al...

Yes, I would say that the kids' exposure to JW nuttery is negligible, thus far, due in part to my steadfast protection of them. A level of protection that has rendered me...somewhat weary over the years.

Thus, my interest in knowing when the kids are sufficiently armed against JW ideology. I'd like to, at least *feel* that they are secure and intellectually well-armed enough to rebuff any attempts to proselytize them. Yes, this a question that is ultimately self-serving in nature. If it should bear out that that I cannot assure myself of such protections, then of course I would continue to insulate them from such influences for as long as it be necessary and I am able.

No prior indoctrination. And I am committed to keeping it that way.