Posts by cameo-d

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Do you believe in life after death?

by cameo-d in

do you think we go on in "some form"?

do you believe we will be brought back to life in a similar body?

(would that be reincarnation or just a single resurrection?).

cameo-d

just as it is appointed for people to die once — and after this, judgment

Shouldn't some advise the JC they are "ahead of their time'?

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Does cain get a bad rap???

by darth frosty in

this is kinda along the lines of my favorite who told the real lie in gen 3.. i was watching the movie 'the bible' the other night (couldn't sleep.

) i was looking at its depiction of cain and thought cain is being pigeoned holed.

now i am not condoning murder and the actions of cains rage.

cameo-d

Did you ever asked why Cain was "cursed to be a 'wanderer' and yet he established the first city?

Doesn't seem like the life of a nomad, does it?

Did you ever ask why he was rewarded with protection for murder instead of punished?

BTW, I answered your other question (why did god dis cain's sacrifice?) on this link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/165196/3059983/post.ashx#3059983

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Was Cain the Son of Satan?

by cameo-d in

april 15th, 1999 watchtower article entitled the only way to everlasting life, paragraphs 6, 7: .

6 "who is this "woman" for whom satan has enmity, or hatred?

just as "the original serpent" is identified in revelation chapter 12, so is this woman that satan hates.

cameo-d

For Darth Frosty..

From your link

But if you just read the account of its on merit you have to wonder why God dissed cain.

Why did god not accept Cain’s gift? The answer can be found in the New English Translation of the Septuagint.

Genesis 4:7

If you offer correctly but do not divide correctly, have you not sinned? Be still; his recourse is to you, and you will rule over him.

Cain offered correctly; he showed respect for his superior. But how did he not divide correctly? He did not divide correctly because he did not realize his heritage. Cain was the son of satan and this god to whom the first family paid homage was none other than Satan himself. Cain “sinned” by failing to realize that he was not of this earthly class of people and lowered himself by trying to be like them.

“Be still; his recourse is to you, and you will rule over him.”

Cain was instructed to be patient. He was here informed that he would dominate these earthly people and they would be expected to pay homage to him as they had to his father, the god Satan.

The Septuagint is considered to be more accurate than the Masoretic texts from which most Bibles have been translated today. This link is recommended for additional reading concerning the translations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

These issues notwithstanding, the text of the LXX is in general close to that of the Masoretic. For example, Genesis 4:1-6 is identical in both the LXX and the Masoretic Text. Likewise, Genesis 4:8 to the end of the chapter is the same. There is only one noticeable difference in that chapter, at 4:7, to wit:

Genesis 4:7, LXX (NETS)	Genesis 4:7, Masoretic (NRSV)
If you offer correctly but do not divide correctly, have you not sinned? Be still; his recourse is to you, and you will rule over him.	If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is lurking at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it.

This instance illustrates the complexity of assessing differences between the LXX and the Masoretic Text. Despite the striking divergence of meaning here between the two, nearly identical consonantal Hebrew source texts can be reconstructed. The readily apparent semantic differences result from alternative strategies for interpreting the difficult verse and relate to differences in vowelization and punctuation of the consonantal text.

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What If: The UN actually DOES "turn on" and destroy religion?

by inkling in

so it stuck me the other day that modern jw prophecy is notnearly as bizarrely cocky as such past gems like the "house ofprinces" (1925?

) or even the 1975 fiasco.

i would seem thatthey have learned the value of the vague.

cameo-d

Just for those who think you are either drunk or making it up....

And what if your bobe had beytsim? She would be your zeyde.

Beytsim: (bates-seem) testicles. When someone gets too wistful, sentimental and/or regretful imaging how things could be/have been "if only...", a frustrated listener might interject a dose of reality with: "As di bubbe volt gehat beytsim volt zi gevain mayn zaidah." (i.e. "If my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather.") It's the more sarcastic equivalent of the English expression "...and if I had wings, I would fly." (A less "blue" version is "If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a trolley car.")

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What If: The UN actually DOES "turn on" and destroy religion?

by inkling in

so it stuck me the other day that modern jw prophecy is notnearly as bizarrely cocky as such past gems like the "house ofprinces" (1925?

) or even the 1975 fiasco.

i would seem thatthey have learned the value of the vague.

cameo-d

It creeps in slowly.

It starts to become a generic sort of religion. Already the jws are participating in "interfaith" programs.

The new religion will be like a non-religion. I think it will lean more toward eastern philosophical stuff. And yeah, the UN will help bring that about.

Who can make war with the beast? Nobody. Because the beast will have some good ideas, like disbanding all these religious differences for the sake of "peace". It won't be a big bang. It is tiptoeing in already.

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Time is running out for the Society

by truthseeker in

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2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014. january 1, 2015. .

less than seven years remain before we see january 1, 2015. what will the watchtower's message be then?.

how can they explain to the flock that jesus christ is now ruling in his 101st year?.

cameo-d

Never underestimate their ability to creatively change their teachings

That's what I thought when I saw this "new song" website and read about this "new organization." It sounds just like Watchtower speak....same buzz words, same type of sensationalism. Seems they have been around since 2004. It looks like WT damage control if you ask me.

What better way to continue on than to revamp...play good cop/bad cop in knocking the past issues that didn't add up, and then to come forward with a new program?

This 'new song' stuff could be watchtower reinvented. It's almost like they have taken all your disputes here, published the wt faults to "debunk" them and dismiss them, then they carry on with other wt teachings being brought to the forefront along with more 'new light'.

This organization calls itself yorww (yah our righteousness world wide). They quote from a lot of wt materials.

Even though they say WT is wrong about this and that, they still hold to basic WT principles...like michael is Jesus, etc.

Wouldn't it make sense that WT would surface again with a "new improved version"?

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Was Cain the Son of Satan?

by cameo-d in

april 15th, 1999 watchtower article entitled the only way to everlasting life, paragraphs 6, 7: .

6 "who is this "woman" for whom satan has enmity, or hatred?

just as "the original serpent" is identified in revelation chapter 12, so is this woman that satan hates.

cameo-d

April 15th, 1999 Watchtower article entitled The Only Way To Everlasting Life, paragraphs 6, 7:

6 "Who is this "woman" for whom Satan has enmity, or hatred? Just as "the original serpent" is identified in Revelation chapter 12, so is this woman that Satan hates. Observe in verse 1 that she is said to be "adorned with the sun, standing on the moon, and with the twelve stars on her head." This woman represents God's heavenly organization of faithful angels, and the "male child" to whom she gives birth represents God's Kingdom, with Jesus Christ ruling as King.-Revelation 12:1-5, The Jerusalem Bible. The Watchtower Society simply assumes the "woman" cannot be Eve because she could not produce a perfect "seed." Since we know Satan's "seed" is earthly, so must the woman's "seed" be also. Further, they must co-exist together on earth, in order for genuine "enmity" to be expressed between the two, as foretold. Holy Scriptures repeatedly refer to God's Great Sacred Secret as being the "Hidden Wisdom of God," or the "Sacred Secret that was hidden," by God when this Grand Sacred Secret of Jehovah would thus, finally be revealed by Almighty God, yes it would automatically become a message that would be totally UNHEARD of at that time. Yes, it would become a "revealed" message that would greatly BAFFLE all mankind itself, yes "STARTLE" them even as bible prophecy indicates, yes when they would first hear it because they have never heard anything like this before. -- Please see John 14:17; Isaiah 52:15. The above is quoted from a source that sounds very much like "watchtower regrouped" to me. They use the same jargon, buzz words, and sensationalism. My focus is on the scripture used to come to these conclusions. First of all, everyone knows from scripture that the nephilim mated with human women. With Satan as the leader, don't you think he would have been the first to do this? And who would he have chosen to mate with? And don't you think that the "sacred secret" is that his bloodline continues today and has been "hidden"? In order for this to make sense, you must assume first that Jehovah is another name for Satan and remember that, by any name, it is Satan who rules the earth."god' refers to this deity satan/jehovah who is one and the same.

THE BIRTH

The following verse has often been explained as the birth of Jesus. But could this verse actually be describing the birth of Cain?Revelation 12: 4-5 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.Line by line:“And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood…”Is this not understood to be the fall of Satan, the dragon, and the one third of heavens angels that he led in rebellion?“and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered”Is it not logical that the father would stand at the mother’s bedside at the birth of the child?“for to devour her child as soon as it was born.”In this context, the word “devour” means to claim, to possess, to take or take over; to assume authority and rights over the child.“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations”Jesus did not rule all nations. He turned down the offer, remember? Scripture clearly shows who does own and rule all nations.

Matthew 4:8-9 Then the devil led Jesus to the top of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and all their splendor. The devil said, "If you will bow down and worship me, I will give you all these things."“to rule all nations with a rod of iron”A “rod of iron” would indicate tyranny and enslavement. To be required to answer to Pharisical religious rulers is being ruled with a rod of iron. To be required to live up to some state of being perfect is to be ruled with a rod of iron.and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.Satan, the alien-angel, took possession of the child for a period of time.------------------------

ANCESTRY

Although Cain was the first born of Eve, he is not mentioned in Adam’s lineage. The following scriptures uphold the fact that Cain was not Adam’s son. The fact that Cain is not listed in the lineage of Adam in Genesis 5, 1 Chronicles, nor in the record of genealogy in Luke 4, gives speculation that he was an illegitimate son. (Cain stands alone in his lineage and his genealogy is listed separately.)Genesis 5:

1 This is the family history of Adam.3 When Adam was 130 years old, he became the father of another son in his likeness and image, and Adam named him Seth.
6 When Seth was 105 years old, he had a son named Enosh.9 When Enosh was 90 years old, he had a son named Kenan
12 When Kenan was 70 years old, he had a son named Mahalalel
15 When Mahalalel was 65 years old, he had a son named Jared.
18 When Jared was 162 years old, he had a son named Enoch.
21 When Enoch was 65 years old, he had a son named Methuselah
25 When Methuselah was 187 years old, he had a son named Lamech
28 When Lamech was 182, he had a son.29 Lamech named his son Noah
32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham, and JaphethThis possibility is further substantiated by the fact that elsewhere in Scripture, a firstborn son's name is never omitted from a genealogy, though he may forfeit inheritance rights for improper behavior. (1 Chronicles 2:3, Gen 49:3-4)

-------------------------Genesis 4:1 And Man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have acquired a man with Jehovah. (Darby translation)

This verse seems to imply the cause and effect, but she admits having acquired the child "by Jehovah".“Adam knew Eve his wife”Could this have been a reconciliatory event? Satan/Jehovah has scorned her and admonished her to return to her husband. (Your desire shall be to your husband and he will rule over you.) It is the old story of a woman seduced, then discarded. Eve confesses when she realizes (or has been told what is happening to her) that “she acquired a man with ‘the Lord’.” Satan sends her back to her husband. His mission is accomplished.

------------------------1 John 3:12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.------------------------Could this be a mistranslation in that the following statement was not made by our creators, but rather a comment from Satan/Jehovah to Eve. Here he tells her that the seed of his lineage and the human seed would always be enemies.Genesis 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall bruise (trample upon) thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.How could Jesus be this “enmity”?

Enmity means “enemy, hostility, state of war.”

These words seem to be a warning that there would always be hostility between the pure human lineage of Adam and Eve and the bloodline that sprung from the angel alien and Eve.He shall bruise thy head The serpent would have the authority of headship; thus, control over the “head” indicates the leadership position. To this day this serpent line is exercising control and power over the human race through governments and religions.and thou shalt bruise his heelThis indicates that the human race would show contempt for these powers being lorded over them, but that whatever they might do to combat it, humans would merely be a nuisance and would not be effective to change things.

In the last book of the Bible, scriptures tells us that this serpent lineage is directing the beast.

Change can only come from divine intervention when our Creator(s) return.

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The following scripture is taken from The Message bible. There are various translations which can be used for cross reference athttp://www.biblegateway.com/ . I have chosen this text because it gets the point across in a more lively manner.For a translation from the Septuagint:http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/24-psalms-nets.pdfPsalms 2:7-9
Let me tell you what God said next. He said, "You're my son, And today is your birthday. What do you want? Name it: Nations as a present? continents as a prize? You can command them all to dance for you, Or throw them out with tomorrow's trash." Does this passage sound like a loving “god” who deserves devotion from humans? This “god” is not our Creator(s). The son referenced here is certainly not characteristic of Jesus.

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Do we all have Nephilim Blood?

by cameo-d in

so they say that in the "beginning of the ages" there was a lot of in-breeding because the bloodlines were 'more pure'.. when the nephilim came down and mated with the females, even after the flood, does this mean the bloodlines would have been 'more pure' as far as 50-50 nephilim dna?

or maybe even a stronger concentration of nephilim than human...maybe 80-20%?

psalms 58:3 the wicked are estranged from the womb.

cameo-d

My ex used to call me a nephilim.

Neanderthal, more likely.

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Do we all have Nephilim Blood?

by cameo-d in

so they say that in the "beginning of the ages" there was a lot of in-breeding because the bloodlines were 'more pure'.. when the nephilim came down and mated with the females, even after the flood, does this mean the bloodlines would have been 'more pure' as far as 50-50 nephilim dna?

or maybe even a stronger concentration of nephilim than human...maybe 80-20%?

psalms 58:3 the wicked are estranged from the womb.

cameo-d

So they say that in the "beginning of the ages" there was a lot of in-breeding because the bloodlines were 'more pure'.

When the nephilim came down and mated with the females, even after the flood, does this mean the bloodlines would have been 'more pure' as far as 50-50 nephilim DNA? Or maybe even a stronger concentration of Nephilim than human...maybe 80-20%?

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb. They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent.

Could it be that these bloodlines were close to pure Nephilim?

Some of the known Nephilim tribes were Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Ammonites, Moabites, Egyptians,and Amorites. It seems that most of the Nephilim tribes "mixed with the nations."

With that in mind, could it be that we all have a trace of Nephilim blood in our DNA?

Is inclination to evil carried in the genes, embedded in the DNA?

Has humanity been allowed to continue until the Nephilim DNA is so watered down we are now redeemable?

Could there be one blood line that is "more pure" Nephilim than any other? Like the Merovingian blood line we hear about?

Could this genetic proclivity be the reason we have struggled with good and evil within ourselves?

Looking forward to your thoughts on this.

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Is this real,

by John Doe in

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friends

or is it a joke?

please tell me people aren't this deranged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zseahyzbqta.

cameo-d

We don't "need" concrete.

Some of our other choices may create a chain reaction of new "needs" like concrete, but we don't "need" concrete.

Not my idea. Just said that as an example to show that they will target the masses instead of the bigger industry problems.

These Jesus-camp-tree-huggers will promote light bulb changes instead of adressing unexploded nuclear bombs along our shorelines, or spent uranium in the soils which will cause birth defects and cancers for generations to come.