Posts by Hyghlandyr

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Did You Claim Your Slavery Tax Credits?

by expatbrit in

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irs erroneously paid slavery credits .

sat apr 13,11:19 am et .

by curt anderson, ap tax writer .

Hyghlandyr

I know in my last post here I said I was posting briefly and I would answer everyone else later on. It is later on and I have reviewed the thread again. I think really over all that which needs to have been said, has been said well by all parties in this thread. Aguest you made some good points especially, and she is right yall that modern african slavery by europeans began with Portugal. I think we also agree that many races have suffered at various times, and that color is not a basis for that only.

So I will bid this thread adieu...adew...grr..adoo? dangit! damned french given us words that I cant spell.

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Did You Claim Your Slavery Tax Credits?

by expatbrit in

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irs erroneously paid slavery credits .

sat apr 13,11:19 am et .

by curt anderson, ap tax writer .

Hyghlandyr

I will answer Lisa first in a seperate post, then later on tomorrow everyone else, because I must go to indiana at 4am so I need some sleep.

Um...Lisa, You quoted me in this thread. Specifically my comments about the Celtic Families of People.

Then you made several comments, again asking me questions. For instance stating that I said they have it better off here, and that they should go back to africa. I think you got confused lass. I doubled read all of my comments and I never said that. It isnt a position of mine, but I re-read just in case, in a moment of heated passion, over this issue, I did say it. However, I did not say it. Others made those comments, not me.

*So what* if they don't know where they came from?
*So what* if they have no traditions of their own to pass to their children?
*So what* if they can't even acknowledge their past life without someone telling them to get over it.
Every ethnic group you've mentioned has : a language, customs, religion, etc to call their own. So you might bitch about being Irish but hey--you can always kiss the Blarney Stone for good luck.

First, I am not bitching about being Irish. I am rather demonstrating that other groups have suffered terribly in the last 200 years. Many black americans think they have it worse than anyone ever did in history ever ever. They did not. Many suffered equally and worse, including the Irish.

Second, as to the blacks not having these things, traditions, language and so forth, you must have missed this statement that I made:

I will also state that there is no questioning the marring that slavery has done on a people. Two things I see as most vile about the way slavery in america was practiced. First is the removing of the man's and the woman's ancestral name, and thus identity. Second is the forced expulsion of any remains of their language with the same intent.

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How long will it take to be reinstated?

by blindfool in

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ok, heres my question for all the ex-elders out there.. it will be announced thursday that my niece will be disfellowshipped.. the circumstances are not important to this discussion, but she is .

remorseful for her actions and has taken steps so it will not happen again.

she actually made a lot of sacrifices to try to make her mistake right.

Hyghlandyr

My dad molested my sister was out, yup yall know, six long months. Must have been hell for him the poor bastard.

If she wants to get back in, the best advice was from messenger. Play the game, tow the party line. Cry a lot. Ask the commitee what you should do. Often attending meetings is not enough. Some have been refused because they were singing and this was seen as haughty. Others have been refused for not singing, since their non-participation was viewed as lack of repentance. The only way to win is ask specific questions. Say things like, I want to sing and praise Jehovah at the meetings, but I don't feel I am worthy to do so. Cry a lot.

I was damned lucky(un) that I was not dfed. But I was friends with all of the elders. Too I was a man. Pity be if I had been a woman.

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Future 'Watching the World' topic?

by dmouse in

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i'm now taking bets that this snippet, from today's msn news page, finds it's way into the awake!

internet 'breaks up marriages'.

by nick farrell [15-04-2002].

Hyghlandyr

Yo Rekless and Rodnico, bingo.

I first met a few chicks on the net when my wife and I were Witnesses and already had numerous problems. The solution was of course always:

1...Personal study (of all the same stuff I knew forward and backward.
2...Meeting attendence (which we were already doing)
3...Field service(which we were already doing)
4...Love....from the family book.
5...Respect...ibid.

Obviously 1-3 are nonsense and wont save a marraige, make a marraige, or improve a marraige.

However most think 4-5 will. Hogwash. Those two are simply not specific enough. How do you make her feel loved, and she you? Men and women are just different and need to understand that. I have heard women say they will not change this or that (for instance about their apearance, simply things like hairstyle). But the fact is a tiny thing like that, done the way a man likes will make his feelings for her more secure. The same if he does simply things, like, ahem, not drinking out of the milk bottle.

Relationships are not failing because of the internet. Rather they have already failed. The internet is simply waking people up to the fact that they have other choices out there. And that those choices are more in line with their own needs.

I personally want a harem. Too bad I did not acknowledge that, and the rightness of it, before I got married. If she and I shape up and I remain monogamous, I am ok with that too. Even if she remains a witness. If she deconverts and wants to practice polygamy cool. If she wants a divorce cool. Whatever desires she has I am totally fine with as well.

In fact, it is because of meeting people on the internet, specifically women, flirting with them, communing, even having cybersex with them, that I have come to this conclusion. I can live one way or another it doesnt really matter all that much to me. Like wanting a chocolate sunday, if someone drops it in my lap, sure I will eat it. But I am not gonna get off this couch to go get it. And just thinkin about it makes me as happy as havin it.

Now if she would come online with me that would be splendid. When she has, we have communicated very well together. We also get along well on the phone. I almost think we would have a perfect marraige if we lived in seperate places and spent our time together online. Sex isnt a big deal for me, I am only usually interested in it a couple of times a month at best. Often I do not even finish. So that would get all of the mental and emotional stimulation I need from her.

Too, it is a fact, that the more she hears me compliment this or that broad in the voice chat rooms, the less I have to coerce her into giving me hugs. It is funny our relationship is a bit reversed of most spousal relationships. She is not very interested, and never has been, in affection. Even when I was a witness I had to try over and over for hugs. Usually with her pushing me away. That and other things about our relationship, have led me further to some of the conclusions that I make, and my world view.

She would probably think otherwise, but I think our relationship is better because of the net. While she dislikes me being in the witness chat rooms, the fact is that being there has helped me mellow in my anger towards the watchtower society. And even towards the exes, and the rest of the talking monkeys. This also means that I have mellowed in my conversations with her about the religion. And since I dont have the guilt I did when I was a witness, this has simply improved things.

This internet is all evil and responsible kind of thing reminds me of this one broad that was in the news in the 80s. Her son played Dungeons and Dragons. Her son committed suicide. Obviously the D&D was responsible. She went to all the churches to warn about D&D. But she neglected to mention that her son had attempted suicide for years. Long before he ever played D&D. He just happened to finally be successful.

end...

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The special talk

by Leander in

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i know i'm a bit late on this but i wanted to discuss the so called special talk.

during the entire talk all i could think about was the fact that this was just another way for the society to keep the flock frightened about armageddon.

since their generation theory was basically going to be proved wrong they had to scrap that teaching.

Hyghlandyr

Leander, maybe there is someone on the writing committee who is wise to the facts and so they sprinkle these little warnings in watchtower talks and publications:

Scripture one Such and such a prophet is really us.

Scripture two beware false prophets god didnt send them

As subtle clues to those who will catch it, that the second scripture is referencing the first.

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Crisis of Conscience, p. 117

by DanTheMan in

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a great quote:.

to paint a foreboding picture of potential unrestrained wrongdoing on the part of the brothers simply because we, as a governing body, removed some existing regulation, appealed to me as saying that we suspected our brothers of lacking true love of righteousness, of inwardly wanting to sin and being held in check only by organizational regulations.

well, unfortunately, many in the borg do only regulate their behavior according to what is allowed and is not allowed.

Hyghlandyr

What do people really expect when a religion is based upon the bible, quran, torah or other similar books?

The bible has all of these rules that were mostly irrelevant even to the time period, like stoning a woman for having sex, even if she was raped.

So long as religions, continue to place their moral system in the bible, and so long as people rely on those religions, those same people will be enslaved. It's just that simple.

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I'm not D/f or D/a and my dad wont even talk to me

by LyinEyes in

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the last time i heard from my father, was last july , a few days before a special assembly day.

he heard that we were not going to meeting anymore, which was stange since hubby was an elder last time he thought to check on me.

i have always been the good daughter, the one who stayed in "the truth" , the one he was so proud of.

Hyghlandyr

Music mentioned vacillating between feelings of grief and anger.

I am entirely apathetic. My father and mother are not different than anyone else to me. Like some person in France I have never met. Nothing personal to people in france, but when they die I am not crying at their funerals. I don't know them.

My father probably wishes I was angry at him, or hurt, then I would have feelings for him. I have no feelings at all.

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Do you still get Nightmares?

by sleepy in

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do you still get nightmares?.

because last night i had the crap scared out of me.. i cant remember what i had been dreaming about, but something shocked me and i opened my eyes and i saw a figure standing beside my bed.. my body when straight into fight mode.. now this is the weirest part for me.i shouted at the top of my voice , very loudly "what the f**k" yet it wasn't me speaking , my body sort of took over and said it .my eyes sort of adjusted and the figure disappeared and a i think at that point i became wide awake.. my wife was woken up by my shouting.. my heart was racing and my hair standing on end.. i have had a similiar experience once before but i didn't shout.. the fact that i woke up shouting, really freaked me out.. what the crap was going on in my head?

Hyghlandyr

Here is the FAQ on Lucid dreaming, I will post other links later on.

http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html

Lucid dreaming means dreaming while knowing that you are dreaming. The term was coined by Frederik van Eeden who used the word "lucid" in the sense of mental clarity. Lucidity usually begins in the midst of a dream when the dreamer realizes that the experience is not occurring in physical reality, but is a dream. Often this realization is triggered by the dreamer noticing some impossible or unlikely occurrence in the dream, such as flying or meeting the deceased. Sometimes people become lucid without noticing any particular clue in the dream; they just suddenly realize they are in a dream.

Lucidity is not synonymous with dream control. It is possible to be lucid and have little control over dream content, and conversely, to have a great deal of control without being explicitly aware that you are dreaming. However, becoming lucid in a dream is likely to increase the extent to which you can deliberately influence the course of events. Once lucid, dreamers usually choose to do something permitted only by the extraordinary freedom of the dream state, such as flying.

Upon hearing about lucid dreaming for the first time, people often ask, "Why should I want to have lucid dreams? What are they good for?" If you consider that once you know you are dreaming, you are restricted only by your ability to imagine and conceive, not by laws of physics or society, then the answer to what lucid dreaming is good for is either extremely simple (anything!) or extraordinarily complex (everything!).

Unfortunately for many people, instead of providing an outlet for unlimited fantasy and delight, dreams can be dreaded episodes of limitless terror. As is discussed in the books Lucid Dreaming (LaBerge, 1985) and Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming (EWLD) (LaBerge & Rheingold, 1990), lucid dreaming may well be the basis of the most effective therapy for nightmares. If you know you are dreaming, it is a simple logical step to realizing that nothing in your current experience, however unpleasant, can cause you physical harm. There is no need to run from or fight with dream monsters. In fact, it is often pointless to try, because the horror pursuing you was conceived in your own mind, and as long as you continue to fear it, it can pursue you wherever you dream yourself to be. The only way to really "escape" is to end your fear. (For a discussion of reasons for recurrent nightmares, see Overcoming Nightmares from EWLD.) The fear you feel in a nightmare is completely real; it is the danger that is not.

Now a bit about my own experience. I began lucid dreaming when I was 14. Up until that time I had two recurring themes in a series of dreams/nightmares. They were closely linked. One was a constant dream about falling. Falling off of a building, off of ladders, down a flight of stairs, over a cliff and so on. The other was that I was being chased by a T-rex. I would hide, usually in a tall building. Then to escape I would leap out a window, and, you guessed it, fall.

Now the dreams themselves did not frighten me. What was bothersome was that each time I dreampt these, I would awake very sore from the fall. The physical pain was very real. When I was a child I had fallen down a flight of stairs, about age eight. I always knew these dreams were related to that fall. Certainly the pain sensations were simply a memory and nothing more.

I finally got fed up at age 14 as the dreams happened more and more. I decided, that was it, no more. I was simply not going to have those dreams anymore. End of story.

A few nights later I was on a ladder, it started to fall, as did I. Then I said, hey, I am dreaming. I awoke. The next time I had the dream, I drifted slowly to the ground. By the third time, I was flying around like superman. Um, no, more like Greatest American Hero. I could fly, and high, but I always have had to concentrate on it. Now I do not have dreams of falling. On occasion I do not fly, but I leap. And I have to focus as I come near the ground so that I land on my feet.

I do not know what nightmares yall are having. But it is very possible to control them yourselves. All of this happened to me when I was fourteen, and had no idea of lucid dreaming concepts. Just a strong willed determination that I was in charge of my dreams, not them in charge of me.

Dia dhuit.

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I'm not D/f or D/a and my dad wont even talk to me

by LyinEyes in

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the last time i heard from my father, was last july , a few days before a special assembly day.

he heard that we were not going to meeting anymore, which was stange since hubby was an elder last time he thought to check on me.

i have always been the good daughter, the one who stayed in "the truth" , the one he was so proud of.

Hyghlandyr

<hugs> Lass. If I could relate I would. My sisters and I have been shunning our da for the last ten years. We wont have anything to do with him. Many of you are aware of bits of our story there. My mum we tried to associate with for a long time. But the final straw with her, was when we (my two sisters, their husbands and my wife) were taking care of her at various times, and she would accuse us of adult abuse!!!!!

After everything she put us through growin up and then to lie to try to get us arrested. That was it and we were sick of her games. Even then we still tried to take care of her some, but each time we were around her it was a drain. She had several strokes and now cannot walk, recognize us. She is living her own personal hell.

Parents are to be respected? Bull. They have taught me naught but to disrespect them. No parents have a responsibility to their kids, young or adult, to treat them well. When a parent stops, and even goes overboard to the point of treating them badly, then they forfeit all benefits that are due parents. Including our affection, attention, and loyalty.

And yes this applies to Irish parents as well.

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Shunning Us

by Dawn in

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i guess that since i'm new i've probably missed something.......... but shouldn't "youknow" and "mavman" be shunning us?

after all - we're like.....df'd, da'd, and possible even .

don't get me wrong - i enjoy their posts because i always want to have an open mind and hear both sides of a discussion - but it seems to me that if they truly believed the organization was jehovah's only source of information and the only "ark" so to speak, they would do what it said and not be spending time (lots of time) on an anti-jw discussion board.. my dad was an elder before he passed away recently - he was always willing to listen to my questions and try to answer them (a good thing - open mind) - but he truly believed the jw was god's organization and would not in any way have anything to do with an anti-jw web-site, material, etc!!

Hyghlandyr

When we say JWs shouldnt be on these sites, dont we really mean that they are told not to come to these sites? The same as they are told not to watch R rated movies, or listen to too much music or have sex or breast feed, or have unicorns, or any of the other numerously silly things that witnesses believe, either from Watchtower literature, or from urban legends.

Personally, if a witness is a witness, so be it. Unless they are specifically telling someone else not to be doing something that they are doing, I dont consider them hypocrits. They might be rules breakers, but to qualify as a hypocrit you must espouse a specific thing, not do that thing yourself, and then chide others who, like you, are not doing that thing.

Unless those two started given me crap because I was on this board, I wont consider it hypocritical for them to be here. Although of course it technically is against the rules, and is even something which can, and has gotten people Disfellowshipped.

Not me though, and I told the elders I went to ALL the apostate sites.