Posts by Hyghlandyr

Ive not got a yearbook on me...so when I get mine I will look up the info year by year sometime...But to give you an example..when I became a JW there were about 3 million witnesses. There were about 300 thousand a year being baptised. That was in 88. That means ever 3 years there should be about 1 million more witnesses. (I am rounding here). 88-91, 92-94, 95-98, 99-01, 02-04 = five million more witnesses. Thus eight million witnesses. Now if there are eight million we are right on track. This of course does not count those that studied and never got baptised..or those that left. Those kids that grew up in it and were counted as publishers unbaptized and so forth.

Now someone will have to tell me the number of current publishes..but you get the idea.

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GREAT CROWD GIVEN NEW STATUS?

by Hunyadi in

the march 1, 2004 wt, p9 pp6 states:"the only reasonable conclusion, then, is that jesus was referring to a group of chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave.

" can there be such a thing as a composite slave?

seven hundred years before christ, jehovah referred to the entire nation of israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom i have chosen.

Hyghlandyr

Whats to miss Hyundai is this... the passage you quote is talking about the FDS, and all the members of the annointed being FDS, not all members of the annointed AND the other sheep being part of the slave. It makes no mention of the other sheep or great crowd at all. In pointing to the nation of israel, all members, as being the composite servant of times past, it is merely pointing out that a singular noun can be applied to a plural group. Remember, all members of the nation of israel were considered a kingdom of priests. A nation set asside and above other nations. Within that nation, there still had to be leaders. Simply because those leaders were said to be servants of god, does not mean that the nation as a whole was not also servants and a servant in a composite sense. Had they in their paragraph included the other sheep or great crowd, then we would agree with you. They did not.

Thus most jws (except a few confused ones) will see this simply as referencing the annointed. They wont see it as applying to them at all. And it doesnt apply to them. It is one of the attempts the WT makes to demonstrate that even though all the annointed are not in NYC, they are still a part of the FDS...mysteriously so since we know that in reality none of the so called annointed ever have anything to do with the decision making process...that is all done in NYC.

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How secure is Instant Messenger?

by DanTheMan in

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my new boss is perpetually cheery, and is the type of person who has never worried a day in her life.

today she tells me that our administrative assistant told her that payroll was having problems with the social security number that my boss had given her for me.

so my boss showed me the number that they had down for me.

Hyghlandyr

It is this simple dan..your social is only allowed to be placed by you on certain documents..those documents are not allowed to be changed by anyone..remember you signed under penalties of perjury on them. If someone else changes the documents that negates that. If they are having trouble with your social, they are supposed to give you a new w2 and let you fill it out. Then it can be faxed to the office that needs it or mailed.

As far as her not worrying about it, just speak calmly and plainly. Explain what has happened to people in the past and news stories that you have heard. Inform her that messenger services are not secure. I would also bet it is against company policy to send private information like that over a messenger.

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Has the watchtower always claimed that Jesus is the Son of God?

by Hyghlandyr in

ok well here is the deal.

's father has continued to insist to me that the jw teaching that jesus is god's son is a new teaching among them and that they used to not teach that.

now i've read old literature and know better.

Hyghlandyr

Tanks kindly blondie I really appreciate it. When I get some cash I am going to get the CDROMS from freeminds that have everything scanned into searchable pdf files.

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Has the watchtower always claimed that Jesus is the Son of God?

by Hyghlandyr in

ok well here is the deal.

's father has continued to insist to me that the jw teaching that jesus is god's son is a new teaching among them and that they used to not teach that.

now i've read old literature and know better.

Hyghlandyr

Blondie...complete nimnode

As I stated before, these idiots come up with these claims about JWs saying they teach this or that thing that they never taught and then just feed the JW persecution mentality.

Thanks for the quotes I appreciate it. I am also hunting up quotes from decades earlier...i think like you did, one quote a decade, should be sufficient to demonstrate my point. You rock.

Any additional help will be greatly appreciated.

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Has the watchtower always claimed that Jesus is the Son of God?

by Hyghlandyr in

ok well here is the deal.

's father has continued to insist to me that the jw teaching that jesus is god's son is a new teaching among them and that they used to not teach that.

now i've read old literature and know better.

Hyghlandyr

OK well here is the deal. My S.O.'s father has continued to insist to me that the JW teaching that Jesus is god's son is a new teaching among them and that they used to not teach that. Now I've read old literature and know better. I explained to him the confusion with most folks is that they think of son of god as being synonomous with being god, at least part of the trinity. Jws of course do not believe and thus do not teach that. THus this often leads to confusion on the part of non-jws. Which also causes the non-jw to be considered part of satan's visible organization since they are obviously lying about the witnesses, (in the mind of the witness).

I am thus looking for quotes from watchtower literature from different eras, all the way back, to demonstrate that they have always claimed jesus is the son of god. If they ever claimed anything else I would like those quotes as well.

Thanks.

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Cast your vote: Is Jehovah a Myth?

by frankiespeakin in

thanks to many fine posters i think we can make an intelligent choice.

cast your vote and debate if you like.

Hyghlandyr

Well, myth comes from mythos which means sacred story. The importance of such a telling is not the facts, but the truth of the matter. The question then is not, Does Jehovah Exist? Rather it is, Is the story about Jehovah sacred?

Personally I think it is very sacred. It tells the tale of a people who continued to resist great evil inflicted upon them by their deity, and continued to turn to other more loving and lovely deities of other more enlightened peoples...aka the baals. (btw baal is also a word translated husband...)

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"You're an apostate!"

by Swan in

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what would you do in a situation like this?.

you're in a hurry, so want to just grab something quick for lunch in a nearby fast food restaurant and then eat back at your desk while you work.

there was a woman standing in front of the condiments area.

Hyghlandyr

Was she hot?

Personally I'd love it if some hot JW chick said that to me. In fact I can think of a few that I used to know that'd get me all warm and ....warm..just at such words.

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God or Goddess, does the supreme have a gender?

by Sirius Dogma in

some people say the supreme being is male, some say it is female.. some call it goddess, some call it god.. of course this all pre-supposes one exists in the first place, but that aside, what do you think?

does god have a gender, what is that gender and what do you call it god or goddess?.

for me, i don't think god has a gender, if one exists.

Hyghlandyr

Setting aside the preconceptional bullshit about men being intellectual and women being emotive, the fact is that all life proceeds from the female. Not a single life form reproduces with only the male. Yet there are life forms that reproduce with only the female. Since all life comes from the female, then clearly the ultimate divine would have to be feminine.

That having been said, I dont believe in any of it, though I worship it in its non-existing existence. ..Consider...In order for something to be, something must always have been. Call it energy..a deity...whatever you choose. There have been societies that did not have a creative deity, or myth, the Irish among them. (this despite claims that this or that god or goddess was the irish creator of the world...including the various sun gods...again I will state there was no creation myth among the Irish)

Since something was always, there is no creation. There is only existence. Unless you consider the individual or the group as having been created..Ok then the stars were created by the big bang? Or you were created by your mother...

Which leads to a proper definition of god or goddess, as I use it. Anything that is deified is a deity. The sun, is a goddess in my pantheon (a god in most folks pantheons). We can personify something, this however does not mean that it has personality in the sense that we think of personality. Such traits make the image of the deified thing more vivid.

It is limiting to think of deity only in the confines of that which creates out of nothing, all things. The divine, can be figurative, and imaginative. It does not have to be, and is oft not, literal. I am a god, because I have deified myself. And you....the divine thus is for me, male, and female, and intersexed and genderless. All at once and the same time.

(corrected a typo)