yeah, i hated "field circus".
i don't like bothering people on saturday mornings about the latest watchtower & awake magazines and try to convert them from their religon to become a jehovah's witness.
so, what i did was just wait until the group passes by and fake knocked.
A trick I was forced to employ as a pioneer was going on the Phantom Drive-by. This involved telling the driver of the car I had a "drive-by call" and then saying something like "Aww darnit! Their red car isn't here... no point in stopping. Well, I got another driveby on the other side of town if you want." Or, if there was a car there, "Uh oh! That's his wife's car! He said not to come when she was here because she can get nasty!"
Just brilliant!!!
in the sept. wt, it mentions.
144,000 brothers and "other sheep".
now, since the sheep are not referred to as brothers also, could this mean they are :.
The "other sheep" are the same as the "great crowd" of Revelation 7 because the WTS says so...
how many jws are becoming apostates?
thousands!.
how many apostates are becoming jws?
JW's are also questioning the "food at the proper time" argument.
Increasingly, due to the lack of suitable brothers, the sisters are marrying in the world.
former elder, and assembly overseer roberto from france will be joining barbara and joe anderson on tonight's conference call, july 18,2009. roberto was disfellowshipped in june 2009 and after many faithful years of service is now joining thousands of others who are speaking out against the evils of the watchtower organization.
our call tonight will be focused on how the country of france, as well as other european countries are investigating jehovah's witnesses.
the watchtower organization is experiencing difficulties in these countries for the inhumane treatment and exerting too much control over people's lives.
single mom with no partner and a challenged child is the lowest of the low in the congregation pecking order.
Lets be fair to the argument and not get personal...
the post about crisis of conscience in which the poster said he knows there's some bad in the watchtower (as brought out in coc), but there's some good in it too got me to wondering about people that stay for the good in it.. the united states makes some decisions as a country that i don't agree with, perhaps even object strongly to.
but i don't disavow my citizenship.
it's mostly a good place to live, so i stay.. if you want to live in a way that utterly conflicts with the watchtower -- homosexual, multiple sex partners, smoking, whatever -- then you have reason to leave.
The trouble with this religion is that it's very labour intensive in comparison to other Christian faiths. So when one becomes aware of the real truth, feelings of guilt for not doing enough for God are replaced with feelings of being burdened with unnecessary activities and "traditions of men".
But people put up with various things in life for perceived benefits. In this case, staying with the WTS to keep marriage/family together or helping loved ones come to realise their predicament may be necessary.
I am observing more and more JW's doing their own thing in the org. They 'filter out' information they do not agree with, go in service just so something can be put on the report slip at month end and are 'hit and miss' with the meetings. Males are not interested in "reaching out".
Seems to me that its more of a social thing for a lot of them - they refuse to be 'guilt tripped'.
Of course, each individual reacts differently - some instantly disassociate whilst others become mentally disconnected and fade out over a period of time when the perceived benefits are no longer there...
i have read thousands of posts on this forum, and i am finding with all your experiences that however hard we try, it's difficult to actually get a family member or friend to disassociate themselves.
after all, some of us are still "active jw's", right?.
but, i have been noticing that some seem to have accomplished enough with questions and comments that at least their family members or friends are less active as jw's.
Hahahahahaaaa!
Thanks Billy - seems such a waste to smash up the CO's car but I would love to have it sitting on bricks at the end of the meeting...
What will I get if I can convince the friends to read ISOCF?
hello everyone.... honestly i dont know how to start my first post.
i have been an avid reader of jwd for some time now, and now have decided to say hello.
i was raised as a witness, and have been baptized for 17 years.
Welcome, Iron Hill and fiancé!
i have to give credit to sleepy for alerting me to this little discrepancy.
i cant believe i have never clued into the duality of freddies logic.
nevermind the jumping all over the bible between ot & nt to get his math together..... *** pe chap.
For the benefit of anybody who may have missed this, I am amazed that both the solar and lunar calendars have been made to fit in identifying 1914!
the post about crisis of conscience in which the poster said he knows there's some bad in the watchtower (as brought out in coc), but there's some good in it too got me to wondering about people that stay for the good in it.. the united states makes some decisions as a country that i don't agree with, perhaps even object strongly to.
but i don't disavow my citizenship.
it's mostly a good place to live, so i stay.. if you want to live in a way that utterly conflicts with the watchtower -- homosexual, multiple sex partners, smoking, whatever -- then you have reason to leave.
Excellent thread - I think the question becomes is there enough good there and enough accuracy in teachings to justify one continuing?
during a dinner conversation with a loyal jw, he mentioned that the society seems to be making stronger statements to jw's.
he mentioned the "keep on the watch" brochure, and how it seemed to be for jw's as well as the public.
he acknowledged the "personal questions" the society were asking us, in the brochure - how pointed and direct they are, even asking you to rank your physical and spiritual activities on a scale of 1 to 10. .
The Society is facing a war on two fronts - those who want reform and those who want things to stay the way they are.
I wonder if the ones that want reform will have more of a voice on the GB when the old guard passes away...
