I am a bit baffled as to how I ended up having two blank replies to this thread when I never replied at all. Also above my blank reply instead of saying Re: Any Christopher Walkin fans? it say qw63. Any ideas as to what this is about.
By the way, yes I am a Christopher Walkin fan.
Hopscotch
how do you put the bible book of revelation into perspective?
do you see it as real?
metaphorical?
Leolaia - Thank you so much for your information. I had been wondering about the accuracy of the book since I read it as I have been having a hard time finding information to back it up as many sources say all the Sybilline works were destroyed before the book of Revelation was written.
The other information you have given is very interesting and sounds more probable. I will definitely look at the links you have provided.
Thanks again for this.
Regards
Hopscotch
we have a lot of new ones on this site as well as some who have been here for years----i know this subject has been brought up before, but were there any memorable cos or dos that you can recall?.
co arnie scneider was my last co when i was an elder.
he was a very sweet man..
2aTap I remember Rex Manwaring well. Opinionated, bombastic, ignorant so and so he was. He used to rant about the evils of wall to wall carpet and how materialistic and worldly it was if you had more than one type of wine glass on the table.
Do you remember Raymond M. (Manifest) Cowling. One of his favourite sayings was "If it's human and it moves, witness to it." Then some years later is favourite word was manifest - hence the nickname.
Hopscotch
how do you put the bible book of revelation into perspective?
do you see it as real?
metaphorical?
When I was fading from JWs one of the books I read was The Crucifixion of Truth by Tony Bushby.
This is a quote from p279 of his book.
The forerunner writing to the Book of Revelation (c. 500BCE)
This document is the apocalyptic writing of the Sibyl of Tarquin, originally called The Mysteries of Osiris and Isis. It was the true origin of the Book of Revelation and the probable source of the concept of the Essene's two most precious prayers to the Heavenly Father and Earthly Mother. The Sibyl's writings were officially recognized in Rome and highly regarded by numerous religious sects for 1100 years. Constantine referenced the Sibylline Books shortly before his death in 337 (The Cambridge Ancient History; Vol. xii; Pg. 682) and her oracles were deeply revered by Italians and Romans until at least the sixth century.
The church claimed that apostle John wrote the Book of Revelation after a 'mystical experience' while exiled in a cave on the Isle of Patmos. That was a false pretence and the concept of the book's origin was plagiarized verbatim from Damis's 'Memoirs' in which the Ghost eventually retired to the Isle of Patmos and wrote its life story
He then quotes some of Book No. 2 of Sibyl of Tarquin and beside the writing, notes the corresponding verse in the Book of Revelation.
Has anyone else heard of this. By the way I am not saying I agree or disagree with his work just that is is interesting.
Hopscotch
Thanks for posting these chasson. Not much has changed in their style of whipping the troops into action has it. At least back then they were honest enough to call it advertising.
Thought this was an interesting quote in the May 1945 edition:
"Without a doubt the goal of all youthful witnesses of Jehovah is to be a full-time, year-round minister of the gospel when they become older."
I wonder how many of those 'youthful witnesses' of 1945 left school and pioneered without furthering their education or pursuing a career, only to find as they reached their 40's, 50's and 60's they had to struggle to make ends meet, and now in their 80's are facing the old age and death that they were told would never happen.
Hopscotch
happified is a real watchtower word(tm), by the way!.
if you want to give the wts credit for anything, then at least give them credit for their remarkably simple solution to every ill suffered by mankind.. it is a "one size fits all" solution and might be part of the appeal the wts has attracting people who have a hard time with reason and common sense.. they won't specifically tell you what that solution is, though.
if they did, they would even get less converts than they get now, and currently they ain't gettin' many.
Farkel
This is very funny but very true
Hopscotch
jwn poster, uzzah, posted a link to this article in one of his older posts which he brought to the top, but i think this excellent article deserves a thread of its own.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/178981/1/interesting-phone-call-media-the-blood-issuenational post http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2041666sept.
28, 2009. a witness accountchurch denies moving children to avoid transfusions.
Thank you for this Barbara.
To me the last two paragraphs of this article are so important.
This statement:"I would say the court needs to re-examine what actually happens when a child is put in this position," is exactly what I believe. The courts need to realize what the real reasons behind a young JW child making this decision are. Do the courts really understand the emotional manipulation that goes on by JW parents and elders towards these young ones? Do the authorities really understand how trapped by the unwanted consequences of saying yes to blood a young JW really is? These young ones really don't have any choice at all, no matter how much they try to make outsiders believe they do.
Hopscotch
the years have pass and so has my age, so lately i have been thinking, should i add my daughter in.
since i have seen or talk to her.have not seen my grand-daughter the youngest.
the oldest i saw her over 10yrs ago..i feel my grand kids should know where they came from.. i do not have a lot to leave for my kids, i have four, the other three i have a good relationship...but.
Jam
You mentioned that you have a good relationship with your other children. I was wondering if you could put those momentos and photos that you wanted your grandchildren to have into a nice box or large envelope, with some notes about the origin of the bits and pieces and who's who in the photos, along with a letter from yourself to your grandchildren. Then entrust it to one of your other children or arrange for your lawyer who is doing the will (or the executor) to see that the grandchildren recieve it when the time comes. I'm sure the grandchildren will appreciate it when they are older.
All the best
Hopscotch
