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No One Should Be Made to Choose..LIES from July 09 Awake

by Hopscotch in

the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

in the july 2009 awake p29:

no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

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Hobo Ken - That was a brilliant letter. I really hope it stirs things up a bit. There are too many of us having to cop the shunning of our families because of the selfish (evil really) man made policy of the Watchtower organisation, which they made to suit their ulterior motives of keeping members no matter what the cost to families. My family too is shunning me and my husband and son even though we are not df'd or da'd, just because we told them when given an ultimatum that we were not going back to JWs. The hard thing is in trying to reach a JW's heart and as Mr Flipper has referred to on other threads - their authentic personality. The wall around a JW's heart and mind is quite hard to break through and make them see what shunning does to us on a personal, human level. I think it is because they are so hardened to humans outside of JW (in fact they can't wait for them to die) and we just get lumped in with them, so we become just another statistic that is going to die at Armageddon instead of their real live flesh and blood, feeling and hurting daughter, son, sister and brother etc.

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PS I started this thread hoping this article and our comments might help some of us to get through to our relatives who are shunning us and also that any JWs who happen to read this forum might have another little niggling doubt about the WT policies from seeing this. So I feel it's best if we stay on topic on this thread and don't turn off any JWs etc who may read it by the Jesus bashing or profanity thing - please.

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No One Should Be Made to Choose..LIES from July 09 Awake

by Hopscotch in

the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

in the july 2009 awake p29:

no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

Hopscotch

Besty your emails to the in-laws were realy great. I just wish I had the opportunity to discuss this article with my father and brother and sister who decided to shun me 4 months ago because I said I was not going back to be a witness. They also shun my 18 year old son who was never baptised or even an unbaptised publisher because he discussed his lack of belief in God with my father. Password Protected I hope your email to your father has some good ramifications as well. Even if this article just makes a few more JWs wake up to the control of the WT organisation over their lives and the way it tears apart families to satisfy it's ulterior motives, then the article has been a good one. Hopscotch

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No One Should Be Made to Choose..LIES from July 09 Awake

by Hopscotch in

the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

in the july 2009 awake p29:

no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

Hopscotch

Something Mickeymouse said about there maybe being a deliberate intention behind these words in the article has made me start wondering two things: 1 - Is there a less than loyal bethelite in the writing dept who has slipped this in to make JWs who are shunning their family members start thinking or 2 - Is this a tiny increment in a softening up of JWs for a change of the shunning policy by the WTS When I first read the article and posted it I was too angry and upset by it to consider these possibilities. Hopscotch

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No One Should Be Made to Choose..LIES from July 09 Awake

by Hopscotch in

the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

in the july 2009 awake p29:

no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

Hopscotch

Well that didn't seem to work. I copied the IMG code from the scan on the Photobucket site and posted it. But all that is showing is the link address Hopscotch

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No One Should Be Made to Choose..LIES from July 09 Awake

by Hopscotch in

the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

in the july 2009 awake p29:

no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

Hopscotch

Ok Here is the scan of the article. I'm new to doing this on here so hope it works. The quote is on the second page of the article, last paragraph in the left hand column. Hopscotch [IMG]http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu148/hopscotch_09/July09Awake001.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu148/hopscotch_09/July09Awake002.jpg[/IMG]

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No One Should Be Made to Choose..LIES from July 09 Awake

by Hopscotch in

the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

in the july 2009 awake p29:

no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

Hopscotch

I do have a scan of this article but I don't know how to post it. Do I need to upload the scan to a photo hosting site first? Can anyone point me in the right direction with this. Hopscotch

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No One Should Be Made to Choose..LIES from July 09 Awake

by Hopscotch in

the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

in the july 2009 awake p29:

no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

Hopscotch

The following quote is taken from the article “Is it Wrong to Change Your Religion?” in the July 2009 Awake p29: “No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.” This article and specifically this LIE make me want to scream. It is only 4 months since I was given an ultimatum - return to JWs or my family will cut me off. I had to make this choice – my beliefs or my family. I chose my beliefs (that the WTS is wrong) and have now lost my family. How can they publish these blatant lies? To become a JW you often have to make a choice between your family and becoming a JW – done under the guise of ‘Satanic persecution’ from your family. Then if you become a JW and finally discover their beliefs and organization to be the falsehoods they are – you have to make a choice. Do you stay quiet, go along like a robot and pretend (being forced to worship in a way you find unacceptable) or make your decision known at the cost of losing your JW family (being made to choose between your beliefs and your family). Hopscotch

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never before 1995...no date or period for the end...we are in uncharted waters

by oompa in

right now.......and since 1995.....wt has no real teaching to show how close we are to the end......none......most dubs prob dont even know......but wt has always been about dates.....and how close the end is to those dates......but now.....since we unplugged the generation of 1914 to the end of the world.......and now that we are still recruiting the anointed for heaven......the last days can last and last and last......duh...that is why they are called the last days!!

!........and so do they still teach it is "very, very near" (only used one time in wt)....or "imminent" ??

?......just a year ago i think?.......so how close do they say we are now and why?.........damm the bible is soooo clear that nobody knows the day or hour...yet i bet they still say is just around the corner (based on what scripture!?!??!?!?!)..........

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The WT are masters of spin. Somehow they will turn not having a date into a positive. Maybe work on the "no one knows the day/hour" thing. But whatever they do about a date, they are still pushing the urgency of the times. The theme for Sunday at the 2009 DA is Keep in Expectation...It Will Not Be Late, the public talk is How Can You Survive the End of the World? The watchtower study articles for May include Keep your Eyes on the Prize and Be Vigilant which has such gems as " 'and then the end will come'. That time is rapidly approaching", "how should knowing that the end of this wicked system is rapidly approaching affect us? and "yes, the end of Satan's world is near....how vital it is that we remain vigilant". And the study articles for July include "Press on to Maturity - The Great Day of Jehovah is Near". So it seems that they will still keep pushing the end time scenario using repetitive brainwashing and one of their other extremely effective methods - fear.

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do any have a jw death wish?...get reckless just to get df'd?....like you...

by oompa in

jw
friends

do things almost sublimilinally?......and though you cant stand to bear the consequenses of losing all friends and family......you so want to be free and grow that you are reckless?......oompa.

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I know that I'm lucky oompa. For a while it didn't look like that would be the case as I probably left the JWs mentally about 12 months before hubby but he eventally saw it for what it was too. Don't give up hope. But on the other hand life's too short to live it not being true to yourself as I discovered last year at the age of 48.

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do any have a jw death wish?...get reckless just to get df'd?....like you...

by oompa in

jw
friends

do things almost sublimilinally?......and though you cant stand to bear the consequenses of losing all friends and family......you so want to be free and grow that you are reckless?......oompa.

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Looking back over the past 6 months I would say that subconsciously I knew things had to come to a head so we could be free to get on with the rest of our life. I said little things to my family about the org and our feelings about it which ended up in an ultimatum - go back or else. Deep down I think we knew it had to happen even though it meant the loss of my family. Haven't been df'd (even though my dad said he was going to our elders about us) because we care for my mother - in - law (living with us) who is still a staunch JW. Her other son is over in Brooklyn in the writing dept - we are in Australia. I think it is convenient for the elders and her other son not to have us df'd yet because who else would look after her? Even after losing our so-called friends and my family, the relief of not pretending anymore and the freedom to live our life the way we want is fantastic.

I like this quote:

"It takes a lot of courage to release the familiar and seemingly secure, to embrace the new. But there is no real security in what is no longer meaningful. There is more security in the adventurous and exciting, for in movement there is life, and in change there is power." --Alan Cohen

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