i used to visit this site about ten years ago.
i haven't come her in a long time.
i have just recently started talking to a family member who is leaving the jws and i wanted to know what are the best sites available these days for finding out all the topics of information - failed prophecy, 1975, rutherford's drinking, russells tombstone - you know all of that kind of stuff.. back in the day there used to be a site run by a norwegian i think called kent.
Here are some interesting blogs.
http://savedfromthewatchtower.blogspot.com/
http://ebedabodah.blogspot.com
http://biblebrain.livejournal.com/
http://argentorules.blogspot.com/2007/11/moral-emotions-and-watchtower.html
http://spiritualbrother.blogspot.com
http://honesthearted.blogspot.com
https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/
http://jwskeepquiet.blogspot.com/
http://losingthisreligion.blogspot.com/
http://guidetobeinganexjehovahwitness.blogspot.com/
so my wife and i were up in edinburgh for the weekend for the international festival - we had a great weekend including going to see the military tattoo at the castle.. we were walking up the royal mile watching the street performers among hundreds of thousands of others from all over the world when i spotted the cult cart in it's usual spot being universally ignored.
feeling confident after my confrontation a couple of weeks ago we decided to go and have a chat with the two men.
i asked them if they were keeping up with the events in australia and proceeded to share lots of information with them.
You seem to have a lot of patience,Cofty.Not many would be willing to make so much of an effort to debate JW's.Keep up the good work.
Bangalore
From Jerry Coyne's site.
Bangalore
happy birthday,dogpatch aka randy.hope you will have a great day.. bangalore.
Happy Birthday,Dogpatch aka Randy.Hope you will have a great day.
Bangalore
Found this on Facebook.
Bangalore
a list of 27 famous jw's from the ranker site.. http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-jehovahs-witnesses/celebrity-lists?page=1.
bangalore.
A list of 27 Famous JW's from the Ranker site.
http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-jehovahs-witnesses/celebrity-lists?page=1
Bangalore
another jehovah's witness woman has died while giving birth due to massive blood loss and refusing a blood transfusion.
she leaves nine children behind.
she finally consented to the transfusion but it was too late to save her.
Many years back someone wrote to Bethel with questions about the blood doctrine.Here is the reply he got.
Bangalore
why i left scientology.
i was a scientologist for eight years.
although i identified as one i didnt really understand what actually being a scientologist fully entailed until after a couple of years of being heavily indoctrinated.
I
was a Scientologist for eight years. Although I identified as one I
didn’t really understand what actually being a Scientologist fully
entailed until after a couple of years of being heavily indoctrinated.
The reality of Scientology is deceptively hidden and cleverly disguised.
When I look at Scientology today, I have to forgive myself for not
seeing through the manipulation sooner. I’ve spent the last 13 years
keeping Scientology out of my life. It hasn’t been easy, but I’ve
realized that the religion is built on a foundation of violence. I’m
proud to add my voice to the many who, despite fear of retribution and
humiliation, have come forward to tell of our experiences. This is my
story.
The day I was taken to The Celebrity Centre in Los Angeles for the first time, I had no idea how much the visit would change and shape me into the person I am today. Or what I’d be like if the fates had something different in mind for me.
http://gawker.com/why-i-left-scientology-1703997050
Bangalore
another jehovah's witness woman has died while giving birth due to massive blood loss and refusing a blood transfusion.
she leaves nine children behind.
she finally consented to the transfusion but it was too late to save her.
The GM make Jim Jones look like an amateur.
Bangalore
norman v watchtower bible and tract society of canada.. http://www.pemselfoundation.org/content/norman-v-watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-canada.
"the law of charity is a moving subject" lord wilberforce.
search form.
Norman v Watchtower Bible And Tract Society Of Canada.
http://www.pemselfoundation.org/content/norman-v-watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-canada
This was a summary judgement in response to an application by the administrator of the estate of Lloyd Eugene Norman for:
The facts of this case were not in dispute. Lloyd Norman and Lily Norman were practising Jehovah’s Witnesses throughout their adult lives. The Normans made regular donations to the defendant, which is the registered charity that represents Jehovah’s Witnesses in Canada. The Normans also financially supported their local congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Abbotsford, British Columbia.
In January 1997, the Normans provided a $250,000 no-interest loan to their congregation to assist in the construction of a local place of worship referred to as a Kingdom Hall. The Normans held a mortgage over the Abbotsford Kingdom Hall property as security, specifying a zero rate of interest, $500 monthly payments and a balance due date of February 1, 2002.
On 17 June 1998 the Abbotsford congregation executed a promissory note stipulating three changes to the loan conditions: monthly payments were waived; the principal was to be repaid by May 1, 2000; and the congregation undertook to reassess its ability to make monthly payments once the construction project was completed. The promissory note made clear that in the event of the death of Lloyd or Lily Norman, the balance owing on the loan was to be paid to the survivor, and if both died, the balance owing would be paid to the estate of the survivor.
On 5 June 2001 Lloyd Norman sent a cheque for $200,000 to the defendant. This was stipulated to be for a ‘no-interest demand loan’. Mr Norman indicated in an accompanying letter that he understood that he could get the money back if needed, but that if he died it would ‘remain’ with the defendant.
In a letter of response dated 18 June 2001, the defendant wrote that both a no-interest loan and a ‘conditional donation’ could be given in a way that meant that the donors could request back the money, or some of it, if they needed it. The difference between these was that a no-interest loan was repaid on the death of the donor, while the amount in a conditional donation was not. The defendant stated that Mr Norman had indicated that he was giving a conditional donation, and enclosed a Conditional Donation Agreement for the Normans to sign. The Normans returned the signed forms on 3 July 2001, and these were executed by the defendant.
Between 5 June 2001 and 24 November 2009, the Normans advanced $310,000 to the defendant under the Conditional Donation Agreement, of which $60,000 was converted to outright contributions for which they received charitable donation receipts in the year of the conversion. Neither Mr. nor Mrs. Norman ever requested the return of any portion of the funds provided by them pursuant to the Conditional Donation Agreement. In addition, between May 1987 and April 2011, the Normans made numerous outright charitable donations to the defendant. The defendant issued a charitable donation receipt for each of those donations in the same year that the donation was made.
Lily Norman predeceased Lloyd Norman. On the date of Lloyd Norman’s death there was a balance of $250,000 in the Normans’ conditional donation. It is this balance that is referred to as the ‘Conditional Donations’ in this judgment. After Lloyd Norman’s death, the defendant issued a charitable donation receipt in the amount of $250,000.
Her Honour held that the conditional donations were not testamentary in effect. There was relevant law on the issue which yielded the following principles:
Applying these principles to the facts of this case, Her Honour said that the Normans intended the conditional donations to have immediate effect. As such, they were not testamentary in nature. Although Mr Norman usually referred to the donations as ‘conditional loans’, it was clear from his letter of 5 June 2001 that he intended that the money should ‘remain’ with the defendant after his death. The defendant thus had a proprietary interest in the money immediately (at [30]-[31]-, [33]-[34]):
I agree with the defendant’s submission that the gift vested in the defendant when the cheque was cashed but could be divested if the Normans exercised the right they reserved to personally request in writing the return of all or a portion of their gift. I also agree with the defendant’s submission that an inter vivos trust is implicit in the Conditional Donation Agreement...In my view, it is clear that by signing the Conditional Donation Agreement, the Normans intended the defendant to hold the funds for the benefit of the defendant and also for their own benefit during their lifetime. The language of the Conditional Donation Agreement is sufficient in my view to establish the certainty of intention...In my view, the other two requirements, certainty of subject matter and certainty of objects, are also established. The subject matter of the trust was clearly the money donated to the defendants pursuant to the Conditional Donation Agreement and the beneficiaries were clearly the defendant and the Normans.
Thus, the conditional donations were a gift with a subsequent condition that created an inter vivos trust. They took immediate effect upon execution, and therefore could not be testamentary.
The plaintiff’s application was dismissed with costs.
The case may be viewed at: http://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2013/2013bcsc2099/2013bcsc2099.html
Implications of this case
The defendant in this case was very clear in its correspondence, carefully explaining what the donors were entering into. They also regularly offered to return any of the money if it was needed. This kind of careful explanation and dealing with donors illustrates the benefit of a professional relationship with donors. In this case, the donors may have themselves not used correct terminology in relation to their donations, but they had been well-informed of their effect. Nevertheless, it is always advisable for large donors to obtain legal advice before entering into donation programs.
