Posts by Bangalore

we had no idea about the planned party.. the kids (wife daughter and husband) really surprised the wife and i. sunday morning a. truck pulled up and started unloading tents, tables and chairs.

the son-in-law fired up the grill,.

Bangalore

Did not Job celebrate his kids birthdays?

Bangalore

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Abuse redress depends on God: Jehovah's Witnesses

by Bangalore in

abuse redress depends on god: jehovah's witnesses.. http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/08/14/03/37/inquiry-to-hear-from-top-jehovah-member.

the jehovah's witnesses will only compensate survivors of sex abuse if god tells them to, a royal commission has been told.. senior church figure geoffrey jackson told the sex abuse royal commission that any changes the jehovah's witnesses made to their rules and doctrine had to be informed by god.. mr jackson said god's word is accessed through the bible and the church's first-century interpretation of it.. chief commissioner peter mcclellan asked him on friday if the church would be willing to take part in a joint scheme with other institutions to provide financial redress to abuse survivors.. mr jackson told him the church would need to see that "nothing was scripturally against us doing that", but it was something that was not totally out of the "option pool".. the commission is also examining why none of the church's 1006 australian child abuse cases in a 50-year period was reported to police.. mr jackson said there was a biblical underpinning to the practice on not going to police, but the church would comply with secular law if reporting to police was mandatory.. he also quoted the bible to defend the exclusion of women from decision-making roles in the jehovah's and to argue that the rule of needing two witnesses to prove any wrong doing had strong scriptural basis.. he said women would never hold leadership roles in the jehovah's witness because the bible forbids it, quoting scripture which warns against women in the congregation becoming over excited and arguing with the church leaders.. justice mcclellan stressed it was important for women to be involved in deciding if a sex abuse allegation was true and in the support of victims.. a member of the church's new york based governing body which interprets and spreads the word to its eight million global followers, mr jackson said there was a possibility of considering the involvement of women.. he stopped short of apologising to those abused by elders but said it's "perceivable" the church would apologise if there was a collective decision.. counsel for the commission angus stewart, sc challenged mr jackson on the scriptural basis for needing two witnesses to a sexual assault.. mr stewart quoted deuteronomy, a book of the old testament, which says if a woman is raped in a field and screams and there are no other witnesses it is sufficient for the man to be stoned to death.. "is it not the case that had jesus been asked about a case of sexual abuse he may have referred back to this part of deuteronomy?

" mr stewart asked.. mr jackson said he would certainly like to ask jesus the question but could not at the moment.. "i hope to in the future," he said.. mr jackson and other church officials have told the commission the two witness rule in abuse cases was changing to take in circumstances.. the commission heard earlier the church believes the end of the world is near and only 144,000 will make it to heaven, the rest will live in paradise on earth.. aap 2015. read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/08/14/03/37/inquiry-to-hear-from-top-jehovah-member#khtpxdgub0foe6b2.99.

Bangalore

Abuse redress depends on God: Jehovah's Witnesses.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/08/14/03/37/inquiry-to-hear-from-top-jehovah-member

The Jehovah's Witnesses will only compensate survivors of sex abuse if God tells them to, a royal commission has been told.

Senior church figure Geoffrey Jackson told the sex abuse royal commission that any changes the Jehovah's Witnesses made to their rules and doctrine had to be informed by God.

Mr Jackson said God's word is accessed through the Bible and the church's first-century interpretation of it.

Chief Commissioner Peter McClellan asked him on Friday if the church would be willing to take part in a joint scheme with other institutions to provide financial redress to abuse survivors.

Mr Jackson told him the church would need to see that "nothing was scripturally against us doing that", but it was something that was not totally out of the "option pool".

The commission is also examining why none of the church's 1006 Australian child abuse cases in a 50-year period was reported to police.

Mr Jackson said there was a biblical underpinning to the practice on not going to police, but the church would comply with secular law if reporting to police was mandatory.

He also quoted the Bible to defend the exclusion of women from decision-making roles in the Jehovah's and to argue that the rule of needing two witnesses to prove any wrong doing had strong scriptural basis.

He said women would never hold leadership roles in the Jehovah's Witness because the bible forbids it, quoting scripture which warns against women in the congregation becoming over excited and arguing with the church leaders.

Justice McClellan stressed it was important for women to be involved in deciding if a sex abuse allegation was true and in the support of victims.

A member of the church's New York based governing body which interprets and spreads the word to its eight million global followers, Mr Jackson said there was a possibility of considering the involvement of women.

He stopped short of apologising to those abused by elders but said it's "perceivable" the church would apologise if there was a collective decision.

Counsel for the commission Angus Stewart, SC challenged Mr Jackson on the scriptural basis for needing two witnesses to a sexual assault.

Mr Stewart quoted Deuteronomy, a book of the old testament, which says if a woman is raped in a field and screams and there are no other witnesses it is sufficient for the man to be stoned to death.

"Is it not the case that had Jesus been asked about a case of sexual abuse he may have referred back to this part of Deuteronomy?" Mr Stewart asked.

Mr Jackson said he would certainly like to ask Jesus the question but could not at the moment.

"I hope to in the future," he said.

Mr Jackson and other church officials have told the commission the two witness rule in abuse cases was changing to take in circumstances.

The commission heard earlier the church believes the end of the world is near and only 144,000 will make it to heaven, the rest will live in paradise on earth.

Bangalore

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New Inactive One Saying Hello to all

by Lostwun in

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friends

lostwun here, i joined 2 months ago but am now just finding the courage after doing more research to formally introduce myself to the board and embrace my new beginnings as an ex-jw.

i am a second-generation jw.

i grew up with parents who are well known and very respected in many circuits.

Bangalore

Welcome to JWN.

Bangalore

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Beroean Pickets

by joe134cd in

hi i've been reading a web sight called borean pickets.

http://meletivivlon.com/2015/05/09/may-tv-broadcast-on-tv-jw-org/.

although the guy writes some real thought provoking stuff, i sort of don't know what to make of it.

Bangalore

Its a great site for those who are on the fence. Sort of like E-Watchman's site used to be about a decade ago.

Bangalore

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Remember the two elderly sisters?

by John Aquila in

about a month ago i posted what had happened to two elderly sisters who were reprimanded by a couple of elders for crying because the jw broadcasting was going to be stopped at the kingdom hall and it was up to each publisher to learn how to use the internet.

if you recall the sisters got together with my mom and talked about it and it resulted in all of them declining to make meals for the pioneers.

here is the link.

Bangalore

Great news,John.

Bangalore

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best ex JW sites

by cobweb in

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i used to visit this site about ten years ago.

i haven't come her in a long time.

i have just recently started talking to a family member who is leaving the jws and i wanted to know what are the best sites available these days for finding out all the topics of information - failed prophecy, 1975, rutherford's drinking, russells tombstone - you know all of that kind of stuff.. back in the day there used to be a site run by a norwegian i think called kent.

Bangalore

Here are some interesting blogs.

http://savedfromthewatchtower.blogspot.com/

http://ebedabodah.blogspot.com

http://biblebrain.livejournal.com/

http://argentorules.blogspot.com/2007/11/moral-emotions-and-watchtower.html

http://spiritualbrother.blogspot.com

http://honesthearted.blogspot.com

https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/

http://jwcritic.blogspot.com/

http://jwskeepquiet.blogspot.com/

http://losingthisreligion.blogspot.com/

http://guidetobeinganexjehovahwitness.blogspot.com/

http://reasoningwithjws.blogspot.com/

http://nicodemusjw.blogspot.com/

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"I am Happy to be Controlled" - Edinburgh Elder on Cult Cart

by cofty in

so my wife and i were up in edinburgh for the weekend for the international festival - we had a great weekend including going to see the military tattoo at the castle.. we were walking up the royal mile watching the street performers among hundreds of thousands of others from all over the world when i spotted the cult cart in it's usual spot being universally ignored.

feeling confident after my confrontation a couple of weeks ago we decided to go and have a chat with the two men.

i asked them if they were keeping up with the events in australia and proceeded to share lots of information with them.

Bangalore

You seem to have a lot of patience,Cofty.Not many would be willing to make so much of an effort to debate JW's.Keep up the good work.

Bangalore