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  Missing School Functions

  by WTWizard in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know that the witlesses are not supposed to go to many school activities.

  these include after-school sports and competitions, scouting, and other extra-curricular activities and class trips that may last beyond school hours.

  the most cited excuses (flimsy they may be) are bad associations, the money, time, and the possibility of compromise.. now, i wonder how many people have missed field trips that happened during normal school hours because of being witlesses.

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  winstonchurchill

  JW like black/white good/bad rules. Not too much into thinking and deciding. So you're right about nothing being written explicitly on the subject, it's easier to 'decide' the anything that is not formal classes is not appropriate.

  Many frown upon my wife and I, because we let our kids go in field trips, we attent every PTA, parents night or event the school holds. Our ccrodinator even got mad at me because I asked him to cinduct TMS for me, because I had a 'parents night' at my son's school. He won't confornt me because I'm a feared and respected elder, but he told me "You know attendance is not mandatory for those things?", to which I replied "Neither is mandatory for TMS".

  But what can I say, my kids come first!
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  Is the Downfall of Jehovah's Witnesses More Important Then You?

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (on proofreading this, i feel that this is more preachy then i meant it.

  so as a disclaimer, i hope you know that if you get that impression, that i didn't mean it that way.

  having said that, this is what i feel, so if you relate to this in any way, enjoy.

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  winstonchurchill

  Posts like this is the reason I'm here. People like ATJ and many others make it worth.
  
  I've come to the conclusion -at least in MY case- that being out or in is irrelevant. I'm in, I believe in many things, I strongly disagree with many others, but over all, I don't believe WTB&TS is in any way God's official channel of communication. In that way, JW are already 'fallen' to me; just like they teach Babylon 'fell' in 1919 by losing its power over people, well WTB&TS "fell" long ago as it has lost it's power over me.
  
  I have said it before: I have much more in common with ATJ, AKJ, OTWO, Outlaw and many other egregious "apostate" posters, than with the couple of lunatics that defend the WT around here and techinically I should call "sisters"; (And yes, I'm in love with Rebel8, LouBelle and the "Sally Sparrow" girl).
  
  This site has filled a void, a void that attending meetings and hanging around with my good and beloved JW's friends won't fill. I think is an intellectual and humanistic void. Sometimes I feel like I'm cheating (probably I am), and that I'm selfish for getting away with the best of both worlds.
  
  Going to other church? I don't think so. To me the problem is with religion in general. Not an agnostic, much less an atheist, but the biggest beef I have with WTS I have with almost every religion: THEY NEVER SAY "I DON'T KNOW". They need to have an answer, and explanation and a position for everything, from oral sex to hickeys, form polygamy to vaccines, from dinosaurs to global warming... it never ends.
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  Committee Meeting Wants Details, oh BS

  by Leprechaun in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember when i like a real stupid ass went to a committee meeting for enjoying committing so called immorality, when in my view i was making love and i enjoyed every dam minute of it.

  well any way those stupid elders whom i knew personally for many years wanted to know every juicy (no pun intended) tid bit of what went on between me and this good friend of mine, a long time sister in good standing, i told them what the hell, you guys dont know what sex is!

  you stupid asss!

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  winstonchurchill

  reniaa

  why were you reproved?

  She watched the "Thriller" Video

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  Now, seriously. As many have pointed, it depends on the elders. I've been in dozens of JC and I've seen everything. In a couple of occasions I've had interrupted fellow elders asking inappropriate questions. Once we even asked the person to leave us alone for a few minutes, and then got into a heated argument because the other two were embarrassing the poor woman. I shut them up opening my bible and reading when Nathan talked to David about his adultery... No details, no questions about "what step lead to the following..." and all that bull crap that miserable elders like to repeat and justify their morbid obsession with sex. Needless to say that elder hates my guts to this day.
  
  Once (not long ago) an elder asked a girl that confessed getting oral sex form her boyfriend "How did you feel" and she answered "I think almost had an orgasm". They didn't like her answer. I guess she was supposed to say she was suffering because she knew she was offending god. Jeez!
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  Gran is ill, but still won't let me visit.

  by LouBelle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i totally disagree with the shunning practise and even as a jw i did not think it was a godly practise and refrained from it.. my jw gran has been admitted into frail care because her legs and feet are going numb.

  i wanted to go visit her to offer help, be it financial, emotional, or even physical, but was told not to go as she still doesn't want anything to do with me.....your loss gran.. .

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  winstonchurchill

  Sorry about this, Lou.
  
  Jesus condemned Pharisees for letting the minutiae of law get in the way of Love and Mercy.
  
  This is a terrible example, and is why more and more JWs realize there's something terribly wrong.
  
  All the best,

  WC
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  An Open Letter to Jehovah's Witnesses

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear jw's -.

  i was, not too long ago, one of you.

  i loved jehovah, and his organization.

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  winstonchurchill

  Jeff,

  As an active witness I have to say you have made your point in an impeccable manner. Technically you are an apostate, still I feel closer to you than to those within the JWs led by intolerance and moral superiority feelings.(Discalimer: If anyone thinks that this comments refers to the annoying thread hi-jacker ... well, you are right)

  Faith - by definition- cannot be decosntructed. Faith is the path we take when reason can't help us. But there really no reasons behind faith, other than wanting to believe. But that's pretty philosophical so let's leave it at that.

  While I don't ibelieve"change from within", let me assure you that many, many current JW's, not few in authority positions, know that there's something terribly wrong; you have pointed to many of those 'wrongs'. I particulary share your views on 'Hope'. I'm focused on my family and their well-being. I care for people. I am an elder and I refuse to see people as 'brothers' or 'worldly' or 'inactive' or 'weak' or 'pioneer'. They are my fellow humans, and I'll do my best to comfort and help them.

  People lke you prove to me that bitterness is not necessary. And in the human sense of the word, I'm proud to consider you a brother.
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  Robert Wallen and Harold Jackson

  by garlic81 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone know what robert wallen and harold jackson do at bethel?

  i think harold jackson used to be a gilead instructor but not sure what he does now.

  just wondering..

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  winstonchurchill

  I met Wallen several years ago when he visited as Zone overseer the branch where I served. I'm almost positive he was one of the 'netinees' that 'helped' the Governing Body's Teaching Comitee.
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  ATJeff Answers Letters from JW Readers

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i didn't want to hijack billy x's attempt at hijacking another thread directed to our apostate terrorist, reinna.

  this is a parady that only ex jw's could possibly appreciate.

  whether you appreciate my macabre sense of humor is entirely another matter.

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  winstonchurchill

  Dear almighty GB,

  I enjoyed you article against birthdays. That's why I became a JW, to save a bunch of money by having this excellent excuse not to give presents. It almost makes up for all the money I have to throw at you guys.

  But I wonder if one of the big reasons for not celebrating b'days is not to give undue praise and relevance to mere humans... Is it apropriate to have all this posts devoted to Reniaa?

  Thanks for your wonderful work. No ne beats you at making people's life miserable.

  Sincerely,

  Stingy Elder
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  Shocker! Watchtower says DON'T share experiences with demons..."it's promoting Satan!!"

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an incredible turn around when you see the watchtower index full of demonic handbags, houses, idols etc.

  etc.. the new bookstudy book "keep yourselves in god's love.

  " p.191 was a shocker for me!

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  winstonchurchill

  "necessary refinements" coming soon from WTS:

  1.- Birthdays are not that bad. Pagan origin? So are wedding rings. Glorify individuals? What about wedding/baby showers, anniversaries. Sorry kids, for all the missed parties and presents. But just trust the organization and you'll be fine.

  2.- Stop reporting your time. Nos scriptural basis. Sorry we botched that one too.

  3.- You aren't gonna die in armaggedon for seeing an 'R' rated movie. What were we thinking?

  4.- Nix pioneers. preaching 2 hrs. a day IS NOT 'full time'. It won't fast-track you to paradise either. Apologies to all those who wasted their time (and got skin cancer).

  5.- Ok, we admit it! We know squat about when Jerusalem was destroyed, when the 'gentile times' started, when they ended, and if they ended at all. we know nothing. Sincere apologies to those who sold everything, didn't follow a career, didn't have kids, and basically ruined their life. Sorry, but that's how light is established!

  6.- Our sincere excuse to those who died, but we ahve concluded that if you can have ice cream, milk and malt, well, we guess you can have a Milkshake! So, if you can take FRACTIONS, why can't you accept blood? Sorry, again, but hey! There's resurrection (or is there?)
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  Any Experience with Two Judicial Committees?

  by dig692 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi everyone, just wondering if anyone that is or was df'd before has any experience with moving to a new congregation and having to meet with their old jc and a new jc at their new hall?.

  a friend of mine who is df has been trying to get back in to reconnect with her family and is having a really hard time with the reinstatement process.

  she has been attending meetings at the new congregation for about a year now and has asked the new jc to meet to discuss her reinstatement.

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  winstonchurchill

  I was gonna answer, but Sir82 nailed it!
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  What Was YOUR Worst Quality As A JW?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for me it had to be that i was trained to be judgmental.

  i'm naturally a person who doesn't believe everything someone says---just because they say it's true.

  still, a "good elder" is supposed to be watchful of what might "contaminate" the congregation.. so, it's time to bare your soul.

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  winstonchurchill

  From the JW point of view: Some say I'm from the liberal wing. I question too much, and as an elder I don't excercise my 'power' as (they think) I should.

  From a non-JW perspective: the quality I fight the most is the "moral-superiority" attitude. Right now I have it down on it's knees; I believe that by the time I manage to erradicate every judgemental trait in my personality, I'll stop being a JW.