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WHY WOULD IT BE IMPORTANT WHETHER JESUS DIED ON A CROSS OR A STAKE?

by dgp in

14 years ago

i read on a recent thread that one of the magazines now has the old story of whether jesus really died on a cross.

i know the idea behind this chorus line is to say that you're being lied to as to how jesus died.

if they lied to you about this simple thing, what else would they lie to you about?.

14 years ago

villabolo 14 years ago

This reminds me of a secondary anti cross argument used in the Babylon The Great Has Fallen book where the fact that Babylonians would scratch a 't' mark to represent their god Tammuz, somehow reinforced the notion that the cross was pagan.

The thing to keep in mind about this ridiculous non-issue is that the cross is a very simple geometric symbol. Chimpanzees and even elephants have been given paint brushes and been known to paint crosses* and spirals and other abstract designs.

SCrosses and spirals are pagan symbols. Does this mean that these semi-sentient animals are being possesed by the Devil in what would obviously be a pointless exercise in mocking Mr "I'm not a Pagan" Jehovah?

Bottom line. The cross is such a simple geometric design, that it is a meaningless and trivial coincidence to find it in "pagan" (Read non Hebrew Scripture) cultures.

Villabolo

http://books.google.com/books?id=qEf4OkurjPkC&pg=PA177&lpg=PA177&dq=chimpanzees+painting+cross&source=bl&ots=ZxPMXhbQws&sig=FRaYANSs6BMAR8Ggd5HH7ig6Kl4&hl=en&ei=UbhITdr5GY7EsAOBlvmcCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=chimpanzees%20painting%20cross&f=false

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WHY WOULD IT BE IMPORTANT WHETHER JESUS DIED ON A CROSS OR A STAKE?

by dgp in

14 years ago

i read on a recent thread that one of the magazines now has the old story of whether jesus really died on a cross.

i know the idea behind this chorus line is to say that you're being lied to as to how jesus died.

if they lied to you about this simple thing, what else would they lie to you about?.

14 years ago

villabolo 14 years ago

Brotherdan:

"The majority of Christians do NOT idolize the cross, give worship through it, or promote any other type of worship of it. It is merely a symbol of Christianity."

Actually brotherdan, the Catholic Church in its rites does prostate itself before a crucifix, which includes the image of Jesus; and that does qualify as a "graven" image and idolatry.

Many fundamentalist protestants, who have no problem with a cross in their church ,would consider a crucifix and the rites associated with it as going over the line.

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Will there be cars in the New System?

by laverite in

14 years ago

growing up as a jw i always imagined the new system (tm) as being just like it's presented in the literature (tm).

i thought we'd all be hanging around with dorky looks on our faces, petting tigers and panda bears all day while we eat fruit and practice our dorky grins.. i've never seen a pic from the society (tm) showing cars or planes (or other forms of transport) in the literature (tm).

what did you imagine as far as transportation in the new system (tm)?

14 years ago

villabolo 14 years ago

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Will there be cars in the New System?

by laverite in

14 years ago

growing up as a jw i always imagined the new system (tm) as being just like it's presented in the literature (tm).

i thought we'd all be hanging around with dorky looks on our faces, petting tigers and panda bears all day while we eat fruit and practice our dorky grins.. i've never seen a pic from the society (tm) showing cars or planes (or other forms of transport) in the literature (tm).

what did you imagine as far as transportation in the new system (tm)?

14 years ago

villabolo 14 years ago

Aussie Oz:

people of the future may carry alittle of this power with them. If they fall down an

elevator shaft, they can let

themselves down easy, then they can turn alittle more on and go back up...no danger

of falling down stairs then..."

So why bother having elevators or stairs?

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Discussion involving my Dad & other long timers - Mood is definately different

by Doubting Bro in

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14 years ago

i've seen several posts relating to the mood among longtime jws here recently.

i thought i would add to that collection and recount a discussion i recently had with my dad and a small group of folks about his age.

quick background on the group:.

14 years ago

villabolo 14 years ago

Flipper:

My mom & dad ( a long time elder ) are 85 and 83, been in the organization almost 60 years now ! My mom told me a couple years ago that she never thought she would reach her 80's in this system of things.

Flipper, are your parents old enough to remember John and Eunice?

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To all you apostates out there - aka failed JW's

by donnye in

14 years ago

by opening this post, you are admitting that you are failures - well done!

lol.

i must say, i have had so much fun on this site - some real laugh out loud moments for my friends and i to enjoy.. no need to respond - i am busy pioneering from tomorrow, so will no longer have time on my hands to sit at my pc enjoying laughing at your pathetic comments.

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villabolo 14 years ago

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Mammoths, Mastadons, Siber Tooth Tigers

by NewChapter in

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14 years ago

so, i've been thinking a lot lately about the chinks in my "spiritual armor" and my journey from jw to atheist.

i realize now it all started with a mastadon.

i visited one of my favorite places, the natural history museum, where i stared contemplatively at lucy.

14 years ago

villabolo 14 years ago

Unshackled:

"Atmospheric pressure: even IF it were possible to cover the earth in water it would've drastically changed the earth's atmosphere. Noah and his fam wouldn't be able to breath, let alone stand the pressure from so much water vapor."

You would have had a runaway greenhouse effect as well since water vapor is 100 times more insulating than Carbon Dioxide. However, some creationists speculate that the water canopy was in orbit in the form of ice crystals. Yeah right, just wait till sunrise and watch what happens to the ice crystals.

Take a look below at the ancient Hebrew concept of the Cosmos and you'll find a hint as to where the waters where. Of course, skies made of stone and the other details are embarassing to Creationists.

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Mammoths, Mastadons, Siber Tooth Tigers

by NewChapter in

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friends

14 years ago

so, i've been thinking a lot lately about the chinks in my "spiritual armor" and my journey from jw to atheist.

i realize now it all started with a mastadon.

i visited one of my favorite places, the natural history museum, where i stared contemplatively at lucy.

14 years ago

villabolo 14 years ago

Moshe: "Scientists have extacted cores of the sediment that contain over 10,000 annual bands (yearly) of sediment."

Uninterrupted Antarctic ice cores cover about 800,000 years.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070705-antarctica-ice.html

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What to do with old Wat books, volumns...?

by pontoon in

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14 years ago

villabolo 14 years ago

Pontoon, you have a PM.

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Model Says Religiosity Gene Will Dominate Society

by darthfader in

14 years ago

(physorg.com) -- in the past 20 years, the amish population in the us has doubled, increasing from 123,000 in 1991 to 249,000 in 2010. the huge growth stems almost entirely from the religious cultures high fertility rate, which is about 6 children per woman, on average.

at this rate, the amish population will reach 7 million by 2100 and 44 million by 2150. on the other hand, the growth may not continue if future generations of amish choose to defect from the religion and if secular influences reduce the birth rate.

in a new study, robert rowthorn, emeritus professor of economics at cambridge university, has looked at the broader picture underlying this particular example: how will the high fertility rates of religious people throughout the world affect the future of human genetic evolution, and therefore the biological makeup of society.. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-religiosity-gene-dominate-society.html.

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villabolo 14 years ago

Thetrueone:

"That religiosity gene needs a condom...... right quick."

Religiosity by and of itself is not necessarily the problem but the particular religion itself. In my opinion several thousand years of civilization has produced dysfunctional religions by virtue of the fact that civilization itself is dysfunctional.

We once worshipped nature, as Paleolithic cave paintings make clear. We no longer worship what we eat but what/who eats us. Totalitarian gods for totalitarian societies. Future Paradise to relieve us of our present Hell.

We need a radically different civilization that is ecologically sustainable in the context of self reliant villages where everyone participates in growing their own food with permaculture. That will, I believe, generate a Pantheistic religion where we once more integrate ourselves into the greater reality of nature instead of being forever alienated from it, or the demon god/s who have replaced it.

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