what was i thinking my entire life?
during the first part about submission, everyone gave the same comments about being obedient to the elders even though you may not agree with them.
and they talked about submission to the organization no matter what.. no one, i mean no one raised the possibility that the counsel or instructions might be wrong, or harmful.
"As I looked around the KH, the movie, The Stepford Wives, came into mind."
A neighbor of mine, who never went to their meetings but lived in a neighborhood full of them, made the same comparison based on how they acted in the neighborhood. I responded by referring to the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
You got to be careful around them as the GB increases their hatemongery. There's no telling what certain unstable (Most of them) Jw's could do under that type of influence.
i have recently decided that it's time to let go.
i no longer need this stuff and am not interested in using it to research the past.
i just deleted 20+ gb of watchtower related junk off my computer.
Drew you have a pm. Villabolo.
i spent 17 years in jws, first 11 were very zealous.
i feel very stupid now to admitt - but until several months ago i really believed "apostates" and all people who left jws were kind of arogant, nasty, agresive, proud and i was afraid of getting in touch with them.. i remember finding coc book in a bookstore and (since i was very curious...) i touched it (with a great guilt feeling), opend it, and read it for maybe 2 minutes.... i was so afraid it will affect me somehow badly .... and that i will displease god by doing it .... i felt so bad by sining this way .... now i see there are more kind people among those who left, than in wtbs..... i started meeting some "apostates" in my town, i see they are more reasonable and often more spiritual than jws ... it is like coming out of the darkness ...... could you believe i was such an idiot?.
what about your experience?.
I thought they were all "born agains".
yesterday, in one of those conversations i try to have, i talked to an older sister.
she was waiting outside the hall for her ride, so i sat down and talked to her, just about like old times as a witness, theocratic history.
she has been baptized 38 years.. anyway, i was saying about why did some leave in 1975. she replied, "well, they got impatient with jehovah, and they took it out on him by leaving.".
I believe that their considering God and the "Society" as one and the same is literally hardwired into their brains in a manner analogous to riding a bicycle, typing or having an accent when learning another language. It only takes a few years of hearing the phrase "Jehovah's Organization" to get to the point where the mention of one word automatically lights up in the brain the other word making it a composite concept in the persons
You simply, in my opinion, cannot tease apart Jehovah and organization in their minds. You would probably have to be blunt and say "You're not Jehovah" or even blunter still, depending on the circumstances, "You're Organization never was, is not, nor ever shall be Jehovah's."
does anyone know how to contact jim?
email would be fine, i would like to find some references and maybe he can help since he used these in his book apocalypse delayed.. i'm looking for court transcrips of:.
russell vs ross.
diamondiiz, I've got a very old phone number of his that may, on a long shot still belong to him. I'll PM it to you right away.
i can barely type this.
i was answering questions at yahoo!
answers when i noticed that a former elder i met from socal had made a very funny but gross little story outlining how the jw's got their start.
Rebel8 Lilith is a sex demon. A female one. She is one complicated demon of a lady throughout different cultures.
Charles Russell was alleged to have molested a foster child by the name of Rose Ball.
i don't know if the premises here are provable or not.
but if this video is right - the world our grandkids will inherit will be like a different planet.
please watch.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3x5hifxyu.
"Nowhere does the bible say I should preach with physical force (unlike the Qur'an)"
Very clever but misleading that statement. If one is referring to the Christian Bible then it needs to be taken into account that it was written when Christianity was a small powerless minority. Things changed three hundred years later when, through imperial decree, Constantine declared Christianity the Universal religion and persecuted all others.
Nor should one make excuses and say that those religions did not base their actions on the Bible because the mentality of both Jewish and Christian Scriptures was to declare those with different beliefs as evil and worthy of death and eternal torture. That mentality creates an atmosphere of hatred and intolerance which results in wars and forced conversions.
So go ahead and quote scriptures that do say the opposite SO WHAT! The scriptures like the Watchtower speaks out of both sides of its mouth. You want scripture quoted, read Matthew 11:20-24 where the loving Jesus damned entire towns to hell even having the audacity to tell them that they were worse than Sodomites because they were not impressed by his miracles. (Do you realize how many magicians there were in that region?)
So one could quote the Quran all he wants but all four major religions(Hinduism included), in their fundamentalist versions, are a danger to free humanity.
hey all,.
i have noticed many of the elders in my hall are now calling the wtbs "mother" from the stage during their talks now.
it happens at least once per meeting.
"(I seem to remember some creepy Witchtower pic of mother being the Bridegroom of Christ or something like that.)"
I guess that makes Jesus our dad and Jehovah our Grandfather.
i don't know if the premises here are provable or not.
but if this video is right - the world our grandkids will inherit will be like a different planet.
please watch.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3x5hifxyu.
The Jewish, Christian and Muslim Bibles were all written by fundamentalists. All three of them have an authoritarian mentality. While the subject of the video is worthy of consideration it can only be taken in conjunction with all fundamentalism including the ones in this country and the one that put out that video in the first place (Fundamentalists are each others worse enemies).
The spiritual descendants of those who gave us the witch trials and the persecution of Anne Hutchinson will gladly resurrect Theocracy if given the chance. Remember Sarah Palin and the fact that tens of millions of mindless, soulless americans were a few percentage points away from electing her.
You might not like some of the things that happened in the bible but it leaves you under no allusions regarding life in a fallen world
Chalam, most of the abominations mentioned in the Bible were done with the blessing of its demon god. Is he a fallen god?
hey all,.
i have noticed many of the elders in my hall are now calling the wtbs "mother" from the stage during their talks now.
it happens at least once per meeting.
I heard the term "mother" decades ago and I believe the tradition goes back to the 1950's.
