I agree PSacramento. I haven't known many, (any who will admit) Atheists in person other than my sister. She is hardline to the max and it turns people away. She is the in-your-face, push her attitude on anyone who will listen. Her son heard this his whole life. I have to believe she and he are the exceptions. There are too many criminals in jails who are *religious*.
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17Can you teach morals without religion?
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Can you teach morals without religion?
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PSacramento said:
I think that NO RELIGION ( or any philosophy for that matter) should ever teach morals based on the "reward or punishment" principle, because if they do, what are we truly teaching?
That ulterior motives are the reason behind what we do.
Being raised a JW, along with my sister, who turned hardline Atheist, I can say that if I had kids, I'd rather they be raised as Catholics than nothing at all. I agreed to this when I got married.
My sister raised her kid as an Atheist. He is, IMO, a worthless POS. Now, that is because of how he was raised. My sister and her husband can be likened to Bonnie and Clyde. Having those two as your role models sets one up for abject failure in life. Sis refused, with good reason, all of our Mother's attempts to let the kid visit and go to the KH. He would have only been more messed up.
The kid (he is 32 now), so far has a litany of moral offenses including adultery to his name. His legal ones include not paying taxes which make him a freeloader on the rest of us.
All under the benign gaze of his parents who tout him as the model of what a good son should be. <insert eye roll and puke>
Are all parents blind to their kids short comings?
I like the *Do unto others* idea. What you do to others will eventually come around and either bite you in the ass or give you a hug. It's your choice.
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MS shuns Witness parents
by EmptyInside ini just wanted your thoughts on this situation.
there was a young boy from my former congregatioin,he was about 5 years younger than me.. and his parents were overly strict with him.
but,i think the combination of being witnesses plus being raised the old-fashioned,southern way themselves was a bad combo for their son.. anyway,he got a lot of beatings at the meetings.
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My mom is still an advocate of a good beating. She confirmed it in the last few weeks. "If only people gave their kids a good beating, with a belt or strap, these a$$hole kids would listen and not be in trouble."
I couldn't tell you what context the conversation was about, however, she is still a firm believer in the *pull your hair*, *hit with what-ever-tool is in your hand to make a point* camp.
Lovely, Christian, *WWJD* mentality. (PUKE)
Believe me, this MS's parents are lucky they even see him and his family at JW events.
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This past weekend I lost my mom
by lola28 inthe cancer finally got to her and now my sisters and i are left without our mother.
we take comfort only in knowing that she is no longer in pain.
how do people move on from such a massive loss?.
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Very sorry to hear of your loss lola.
My condolences to you and your family.
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Who Do You Think Are Overrated Singers Or Movie/TV Stars?
by minimus ini think patti labelle is too much of a screamer when she "sings".. i don't think jerry seinfeld is all that funny.. i'm just not into george clooney.
he's way overrated!.
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Everyone of them.
Why do they deserve the millions of dollars they make? How many jobs do they provide to others? How much income do they actually bring into the local economy?*
Why are they not vilified for earning millions, perhaps hundreds of millions a year, and a CEO is? A CEO has responsibiliy for thousands of employees and the health of an organization. I could go on but why bother?
That said, some of them are good singers, good actors, good word smiths, etc. However, none should be chased by the media like they are. Who cares what they are doing right now? Twitter? What a waste of time.
Don't get me started on sports stars.
*Charlie Sheen ended up shutting down production of a very successful tv show. How many people were laid off due to his ego? And he was the most watched celebrity and we were told no one could act like him. No one can fill his shoes. And I should care? Why? I care only because people only spoke about Charlie and not the people who were out of work. Sad commentary on values.
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my strange neighbor
by jam ina neighbor four doors south of me.
the night before our trash pick up he send his sons out (20-30 year old) with their trash and fill up the neighbors trash cans.
i was speechless when my next door neighbor told me this.
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Motion detector lights and camera. Costs about $100.00 total. You'll have added security and the neighbor will go find someone else's trash bin to throw his crap into.
BTW, we are dealing with a recycling thief. We have to pay for a recycling bin. A local contractor picks it up. He and his little company make money by picking it up and taking it to the recycling place. A nasty job by anyone's standard.
I caught a group of dirty, filthy men in a pickup late at night going house to house taking all the recycling stuff. They were stealing from the recycling people!! It might not seem like much, however, the people that do it for a living are losing on all that trash. The recycling people come in the morning after the trash men and pick up the recycling bin stuff.
I yelled at them and they turned their vehicle around and turned the lights off and left. I have seen them in other areas, just not ours. Unbelieveable what people are doing now.
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I need support please
by AwSnap infor the most part, i am able to understand how my family treats me.
i was a jw for 20 years...since birth.
i used to shun people.
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Hugs and best wishes on your imminent arrival. I hope all is well. I understand how sisters can be and just want to lend my support. You've received some great advice. My sis has been up and down with me so I do understand. Your sis giving you a gift is a step in the right direction.
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Why do some women think the bottle blonde and bottle tan look is good?
by highdose injust met a woman, who would have been pretty had she not been orange and had almost white blonde hair.
neither real, the look came complete with hair extensions which also looked flase.. does anyone think this looks good?
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Ummm, why *is* Pamela Anderson so popular?
Women's magazines regulary tell you to put on sunblock then show models with what looks to be suntans. They tell you the best bottle type suntan products to use. Which ones will produce the best fake tan.
Then they will give poll results on whether or not silicone breasts are OK. Results? Yes. So, young women want bigger boobs. Why? Because the mens magazines and men seem to want them.
No one is natural. Sadly marketing has taken over our lives.
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My Uncle is Dying.
by LouBelle innearly a year ago my uncle was diagnosed with prostate cancer - he initially thought it was just a bladder infection and it took him passing out to go have more serious tests.
thus he received this news and shared it with us, his family.. the family rallied behind him and we all did everything we could to get him to his treatments, make sure he ate properly and supported him.
my cousins came out from the uk when it looked like he was going to die in a couple of days.
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LouBelle, I am very sorry about your Uncle.
What you wrote was very insightful. Hugs.
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Psychotherapy Cults by the late Margaret Singer Ph.D.
by Dogpatch inthe term "cult" is often associated with a process that has been given a variety of labels, including "thought reform" (lifton, 1961), "coercive persuasion" (schein, 1956, 1961), "brainwashing," (hunter, 1953), "mind control" (langone, 1988), the "systematic manipulation of psychological and social influence" (singer, 1983), "coordinated programs of coercive influence and behavior control" (ofshe & singer, 1986), and "exploitative persuasion" (singer & addis, 1991).
" the new york times, b1-b2.. .
american journal of psychiatry, 107, 594-598.. .
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Thank you!
My ardent JW mom told me that a gal in an abusive relationship was similar to someone in a cult. I actually laughed out loud. I do see the similarities. However, for my mom to tell me that and not see herself in that big mirror; well, heck. I had to laugh. I didn't even try to explain. I said I coughed.
She watches a lot of Dr. Phil.