Posts by PanzerZauberei

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I got counseled for talking about Mexico

by JimmyPage in

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i have an in-law who lives in mexico.

not too long ago a dub asked how he was doing.

as we talked, i related my in-law's story about how recently in mexico the cops cracked down on the drug dealers.

PanzerZauberei

LOL

I love the back and forth between the pagey's! You are very right about not giving an opinion on it. Since when is relating facts sharing an opinion? What a doosh.

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Hello Friends

by lonestar63 in

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man am i glad to finally be able to register!!.

i've been a lurker here for several months, well the old forum is where my lurking began.. i am very lucky.

i was able to fade without being hunted down.

Favorite Music Group From The 70's

by megaflower in

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how about fleetwood mac and the eagles.

love the eagles and they are still good today..

PanzerZauberei

Led Zeppelin

The Eagles

Ted Nugent

Mott The Hoople

Santana

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PDF w/174 WBTS scans comparing lies and revisions of JW "truth"...limited time only!!!

by middleman in

hello, here's a pdf that was put together comparing many of the lies within the society's publications.

i will have the link up for a limited time and afterwards it will be available by request-send me an email and leave yours.

this is part one (141 pages) of two (perhaps a third) in the series being made.

PanzerZauberei

I grabbed it. this is some very good work. THANKS!!

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Did Noah even exist?

by LouBelle in

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i'm shamelessly jumping on the noah bandwagon - or ark - whatever.

considering how many view the bible (basic information before leaving earth....tm) do you think that there was a real noah?

my answer: i don't..

I think he existed, mainly because Jesus referred to him at Luke 17:26-27. I know some will say that there is no proof of Jesus existing, so anything He is supposed to have said is null and void. LOL It's a never ending game of chasing my own tail I think.

Lorenzo aka Tired of the Hypocrisy

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Changes to the Kingdom Interlinear

by PanzerZauberei in

in the 1969 kit the society used a book by bible scholar justus lipsius as source material for their upright stake "stauros" doctrine of the death of christ.

they used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it.

then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from lipsius.

PanzerZauberei

In the 1969 KIT the society used a book by Bible scholar Justus Lipsius as source material for their upright stake "Stauros" doctrine of the death of Christ. They used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it. Then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from Lipsius. This implies that Lipsius actually backed their teaching. The thing is that Lipsius had many, many illustrations of various methods and implements of crucifixion. They didn't show all of them, just that one. Also, if you read his writings, Lipsius taught that Jesus was actually crucified on a cross. So, they were using dishonest means to get people to believe that Justus Lipsius supported an anti-cross teaching.

Well, Christian groups fell on the society like a thousand of brick. They called them on their lie and so the society had to change things. But how do they make a change to keep from being sued while still maintaining a false teaching? Easy, they make an updated KIT in 1985 and remove ALL references to Lipsius' work. All they really use is that same image of a man impaled on an upright stake with no reference to its source. They also never made the information about their shenanigans available to the rank and file jw's. They never counted on people actually ignoring their command to not delve into their past I guess. So, here I have to share with you all is some scans I have from BOTH KITs and several of Lipsius' illustrations. They are graphic so if you are squeamish I advise against looking at them.

Enjoy!

Lorenzo

http://s429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/Watchtower_Facts/Justus%20Lipsius/

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NWT & KIT Prove Jesus IS Jehovah!

by PanzerZauberei in

i have not seen this discussed here before so i thought i would share it with the group.

romans 10:9 proves that jesus is jehovah.in the jw's kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures they went to great effort to show that the tetragrammaton was supposed to be in the greek texts.

so, every time the name jehovah appears they show a footnote directing the reader to see how ky'ri*os applies always to jehovah in one or more of their j documents.

PanzerZauberei

Man, I didn't want tostart all this. I was just pointing out that you can use the society's own materials to defeat their polluted doctrines.

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Hello

by thomas15 in

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i'm not now, nor have i ever been a jw.

i do have and interest in the jws though.

for the past many months i have been reading this board and it's predicessor and when membership was opened i jumped right in.

PanzerZauberei

Welcome.

I am looking forward to more from you, Tom.

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Tell Me Something Positive & Negative About Yourself

by minimus in

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i'll start: positive, a very quick sense of humor and quick wit.

negative: i can be very cutting with my words if i want to be.

(i work on this)..

PanzerZauberei

Positive: I am a loving person

Negative: I have a very ugly temper

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Using the bible, can you show proof of the date 1914?

by Quirky1 in

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well?

i need proof....

PanzerZauberei

I have some scans from the Harp of God showing their original 1874 Christ's presence. And one from the Way To Paradise showing their 1925 Resurrection lie. Here is my slideshow on false Prophesies from the Watch Dollar Society. (It's a work in progress.)

http://s429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/Watchtower_Facts/?action=view¤t=255c2aec.pbw