Satanus,
I must agree with you...It's like saying being so loyal to the Watchtower org. made a complete turn and became a Mormon...
the fireworks will be exploding saturday night, july 4th at 7p.m.est.
our special guest, former jehovah's witness bethelite and elder ernest zenone s.r.
left the watchtower and became a deacon in christendom.
Satanus,
I must agree with you...It's like saying being so loyal to the Watchtower org. made a complete turn and became a Mormon...
i posted this a before under an other topis, but i think it's a good question for a new topic!.
one of the things i never understout as a young kid was this:.
the question i had as a kid was: if god is almighty than he would of known that adam and eve and....satan... and demons....would sin before he even created anything.. my father who was an elder back then could never give me a good answer.... my dad would say something like because it's was necessary for god to show us and the angels, we can only have a good live if we live it like god wants .
AllTimeJeff,
Actualy I do not believe in the Adam and Eve story....
It's just a question I had as a young child of wich I never could get a satisfied answer..
I was a bit of a pain in the ass for a lot of elders during my growing up period in the Borg..
Ofcourse I thought it was the truth back then, but I started getting doubts at a verry young age.
When my dad mother or other elders couldn't answer my question they always ended up saying what reniaa is saying "Only God can answer this one" I hate that answer back then and still do it's so dumb!
I even allmost even wasn't allowed to get babtised.
I was 12 yaers old and back then( 1987), you first had to study a book in three times with diferent elders. At the third study I asked the elder why I had to take the ode that I would follow the rules of the WTS and dedicate myself to them( or something like that it's hard to translate it from dutch in english). I asked him if it wasn't enough to dedicate myself to Jehovah.... That elder could not give me a rigth answer and told me that maybe it was beter for me to study a bit more before getting babtised.
The other two elders did not agree and I got babtised anyway( unfortenatly). Looking back This should of been the moment for me that the alarmbells would ring, but I was young and Thought that if the most of the rest is true, this wil probably be right too.
i posted this a before under an other topis, but i think it's a good question for a new topic!.
one of the things i never understout as a young kid was this:.
the question i had as a kid was: if god is almighty than he would of known that adam and eve and....satan... and demons....would sin before he even created anything.. my father who was an elder back then could never give me a good answer.... my dad would say something like because it's was necessary for god to show us and the angels, we can only have a good live if we live it like god wants .
Of course God knew. But should he take away their free will to choose?
Ofcourse we have a free will but so does God, and if he knew, he could have made the choice to do things an other way.. and spare his children a lot of problems...
And then another question: If you warn your young child who cant swim not to jump in a swimmingpool and then you see him walking to a swimmigpool. Would you stop him or would you let him drown because it's his choice and you warned him?
Why didn't god stop Adam and Eve than?
Cameo,
I Tried to find the familiename "Bilderberg"on the internetsites german and dutch, and I must admid that you are right! There is no family named Bilderberg.. I spoke to soon.. sorry for that.
Did find a article about the histry of the hotel, bus it is in dutch, maybe you can translate it http://www.bilderberg.nl/over_bilderberg/
i posted this a before under an other topis, but i think it's a good question for a new topic!.
one of the things i never understout as a young kid was this:.
the question i had as a kid was: if god is almighty than he would of known that adam and eve and....satan... and demons....would sin before he even created anything.. my father who was an elder back then could never give me a good answer.... my dad would say something like because it's was necessary for god to show us and the angels, we can only have a good live if we live it like god wants .
I posted this a before under an other topis, but i think it's a good question for a new topic!
One of the things I never understout as a young kid was this:
The question I had as a kid was: If god is almighty than he would of known that Adam and Eve and....Satan... and demons....would sin before he even created anything.
My father who was an elder back then could never give me a good answer...
My dad would say something like Because it's was necessary for god to show us and the angels, we can only have a good live if we live it like god wants
And than I would ask him( I was a smart kid):
And why can we not blame god for being unperfect then......because if it's was necesary for god to show to us and the angels that we can only have a good live if we live it like god wants he could of made two "loyal"humans and have them some kids and maybe a few generations later have some unfaithful humans to show us.....we need god. In that way we would not be unperfect and get sick and die.....
Still don't have the answer....
it sounded very funny when my little sister asked my mother during their weekly bible study (some 25 years ago) what would happened if satan repented?
my mom thought she was being a smart-ass and punished her for asking such thing.
but now that i think about it, can any of these fallen angels repent?
I thought about these things a lot.
One of the things I never understout as a young kid was this:
If a person commits a sin in gods eyes, that does not necessary mean that he is gonna be a bad person for the rest of hid live and start to terrorise his environment. Why does the WTS says that al demons are dangerous and do evil things?
The other question I had was if god was almighty than he would of known that Adam and Eve and....Satan... and demons....would sin before he even created anything.
My father who was an elder back then could never give me a good answer...
My dad would say something like Because it's was necessary for god to show us and the angels, we can only have a good live if we live it like god wants
And than I would ask him( I was a smart kid):
And why can we not blame god for being unperfect then......because if it's was necesary for god to show to us and the angels that we can only have a good live if we live it like god wants he could of made two "loyal"humans and have them some kids and maybe a few generations later have some unfaithful humans to show us.....we need god. In that way we would not be unperfect and get sick and die.....
Still don't have the answer....
Cameo
Sorry for my late response.
As you can see here this is the Hotel De Bilderberg In Oosterbeek( The Netherlands) Where the first conference was held from the 29th till the 31st of may 1954. It is jus a hotel over a hundred years old. named after the family who started it...
I know that there is a lot of secrecy going on around this group. But as I mentioned before, there is also a lot of crap about the bilderberg conference on the internet.
Stefan
anyone of you yahoos like any form of electronica?.
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Ritchie Hawtin, Sven Vath, Judge Jules, Johannes Klein, Monika Kruze, Michel de Hey, Felix the Cat, Benny Rodriquez....
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i was thinking the other day about a potential answer to the frequent party question 'what was your most embarrassing moment?'.
immediately my mind went to my last experience on the theocratic school.
as an aspiring ms, i volunteered at the last minute to give a #4 talk on a particular individual (ignorant of what i was about to get myself into).
I Have a aunt who is pretty fat, especialy her bottum.
She played a little scene with an other sister during de servicemeating( don't know the exact name in english). she was sitting at the table with the other sister on the platform playing someone who was given biblestudy.
At the end of the scene, when she wanted to stand up, but the chair got stuck on her and she could not get it of her behind.
Now my aunt's got a good sense of humor and she stood up turned her behind with the chair still on it in the direction of the hall and started to shake her bottom...The whole gongregation could not stop laughing.
Cameo-d,
I'm verry interested in ancient biblical history, but if you want to you can find a double meaning in everything( just like JW's do).
Hotel Bilderberg is just a hotel in the netherlands were the first meeting of , the after that moment called, "Bilderberggroup"took place.
And Bilderberg is just a german name of the family that owned the hotel.....
Believe me I read a lot about the Bilderberggroup, but there is also a lot of grap about it on the internet....
BTW: I also speak German and "bilder", can mean several things like statue or graphic and "berg" indead is mountain...