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  Why the WT is ultimately doomed

  by Mickey mouse in

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  how many jws are becoming apostates?

  thousands!.

  how many apostates are becoming jws?

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  dutchstef

  They digged their own grave...

  Almost every JW is doubting the reason why they cannot celebrae their birthday.

  Almost every JW is doubting the reason why they cannot use blood.

  Almost every JW who hears about WTS being a "former" NGO is doubting the GB.( My mother didn't want to see the evidence "because"she said "I might hesistate in my believe", saying this means she was already thinking and doubting).

  And than al the things they gave up because the end was near?

  I think we just have to wait for the next new light or prophecy and the WTS will colapse
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  Are only males labeled sexual "perverts"?

  by The Berean in

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  have you ever heard a female referred to as a "pervert"?.

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  dutchstef

  I'm a male btw
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  Are only males labeled sexual "perverts"?

  by The Berean in

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  have you ever heard a female referred to as a "pervert"?.

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  dutchstef

  When I had to stand for a comitee of elders I was called a pervert, when amoung other things I also admitted that I had have sex with other men.... One elder called me a pervert doing perverse things....

  I believe one of the other elders had a boner in his pants
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  Pole, Please respond

  by ldrnomo in

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  who is df'd.

  who is da'd.

  who is fading or faded.

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  dutchstef

  I was df'd in oktober 1999. So it's almost time for my 10 year celebration of beeing free from the Borg.
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  How do you have a personal relationship with G

  by Sour Grapes in

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  dutchstef

  Yaeh right spike! I don't think so....

  It's a bit to simple.....

  What you actualy say if you reed trough the lines:

  You have nothing to fear as long as you adjust yourself to anything god( and WTS would say the GB)asks of you, because he loves you...

  Tell that to the poor or ill people in this world!!!!

  BTW: Asked this before, are you and reniaa friends, familie, maybe the same person? Or are you still in the BORG?
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  Neutrality- the wbts

  by bobld in

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  i would like the preface my statement:there is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in gov't, neutral in the judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.the reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.as an example a court case in canada about blood.they lost the case so now they must obey satan's system/gov't.they cannot now say we must obey god rather than man because they put their faith in satan's system hoping for victory which came not.another case in france,they did not want to pay what the gov't asked,so they used satan's system and lost.why put faith in satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.how can they say they are neutral when they use satan's system.another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took god out of the picture).. how many ot examples are there that the nation of israel went to the pagan's court.why did not jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(sanhedrin).yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of neutrality.it is not only war,it is gov't,it is the judiciary as a battle ground as well.. bob.

  ps:the court system has changed over the years: look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.it will sting them in the behind..

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  dutchstef

  Spike,

  Believe me, I'm also a verry sceptic person. I also like proof. But as you know. The WTS says you need two whitnesses to have a case.

  If you read former treads and surf the internet, You will find stories of many eyewithnesses/ friends of rutherford who know and saw he was an alcoholic and who went to nightclubs withe rutherford and who now he had affairs with different ladies.

  You can choose not to believe the storries, but I think there is more proof of the above than there is for a lot of storries in the bible...

  BTW: are you friends/family of Reniaa?
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  Neutrality- the wbts

  by bobld in

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  i would like the preface my statement:there is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in gov't, neutral in the judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.the reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.as an example a court case in canada about blood.they lost the case so now they must obey satan's system/gov't.they cannot now say we must obey god rather than man because they put their faith in satan's system hoping for victory which came not.another case in france,they did not want to pay what the gov't asked,so they used satan's system and lost.why put faith in satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.how can they say they are neutral when they use satan's system.another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took god out of the picture).. how many ot examples are there that the nation of israel went to the pagan's court.why did not jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(sanhedrin).yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of neutrality.it is not only war,it is gov't,it is the judiciary as a battle ground as well.. bob.

  ps:the court system has changed over the years: look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.it will sting them in the behind..

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  dutchstef

  Proof please!

  Http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2008/10/34254_en.pdf

  Page 41, 49, 63. 65, 71 proves there stil memeber of the OSCE( OVSE is the dutch name).

  And about Rutherford living as a king in the house of the profets, well you can start by reading the WTS publication of JW's in the 20 centurie. And as for his drinkingproblem and afairs, that's what they call a public secret. Bus surf trough the internet, the evidence and stories of withnesses are overwelming..
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  Neutrality- the wbts

  by bobld in

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  i would like the preface my statement:there is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in gov't, neutral in the judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.the reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.as an example a court case in canada about blood.they lost the case so now they must obey satan's system/gov't.they cannot now say we must obey god rather than man because they put their faith in satan's system hoping for victory which came not.another case in france,they did not want to pay what the gov't asked,so they used satan's system and lost.why put faith in satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.how can they say they are neutral when they use satan's system.another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took god out of the picture).. how many ot examples are there that the nation of israel went to the pagan's court.why did not jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(sanhedrin).yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of neutrality.it is not only war,it is gov't,it is the judiciary as a battle ground as well.. bob.

  ps:the court system has changed over the years: look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.it will sting them in the behind..

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  dutchstef

  Reniaa,

  1) Jws are not members of UN only countries can be

  Yes You're right JW's are not a member of the UN, but the WTS was for a long time memeber as an non-govermental organisatian.

  And there still a member as an OSVE.

  2)about making Jws money greedy but to be honest the lack of wealth of those in lead roles shows that it isn't about this at all,

  Sorry to tell reniaa but that is total BS. It is what they want you to believe, but they refuse to pay money for healthcare for their loyal workers at bethel and in special fieldservice. While th big bosses of the WTS them self they don't need it, because they just pay it by money JW's give to the organisation.

  And don't forget mr Rutherford who lived in the house build for the profets, while drinking and having secret relationships with women.
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  No Resurrection for Fluffy!

  by cameo-d in

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  one of the meanest stories put forth by watchtower psychos is telling children that their beloved pets will never come back resurrected.. not only must the child deal with the trauma of confronting death, the grief of losing a love, and the inability to reason why this happens.... but adults offer no real words of comfort and instead cause more psychological trauma by telling the kid that they can have a pet lion instead.. poor kid doesn't want a pet lion.

  he wants fluffy back.

  what kind of psych-ops crap is this?

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  dutchstef

  Is this an attempt to teach them not to become "too involved" in caring about animals or other people?

  Is this why they grow up with the ability to turn off their love and feelings when they are told to shun someone?

  Cameo-d,

  It maybe a trick from the GB, but I don't think the parents want to traumatise their children on purpose...

  Most JW's are just as naive as their children.
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  Does anyone know what they do with all the information they have on you, from the time you were still a JW?

  by dutchstef in

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  does anyone know what they do with all the information they have on you, from the time you were still a jw?.

  do they store it in a special file( the (e)x-files haha) and is there a way you can get a hand on it?.

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  Sir82,

  I think they have to give it, because we have a verry extended privacy law. And firms, schools, hospitals, govermental organisations, also have to give you a peak in your files if you ask them to...

  But your right they probably "lost"my file when I ask for it.. But I gonna try...

  I'll keep you all informed...