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  Did NOAH take WHALES into the ARK?

  by african GB Member in

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  blue whale is the largest animal on earth,.... it would take huge cranes and a lot of manpower to carry one of those animals,.... how did noah achieve this?.

  did he have cranes and chains?.

  did he have a large enough aquarium on board, with salt water?.

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  The WTB&TS repeatedly show thier ignorance on this subject. There are nearly 60,000 species of vertibrate animals described. There are over 1.2 million species of invertibrate animals, nearly 300,000 species of plants, and nearly 30,000 species classified as "other" (fungi, lichens, brown algaes, etc.). So the total number of described species is nearly 1.6 million, and we all know there are more yet to be discovered. [Edit: These are old numbers, no doubt higher now]

  There is a chance that some of the plants may survive immersion in water for that long, not many though. And there would not be a seperation of saltwater/fresh water (there may be some gradation, but it would mix) and very few fishes have a tollerance range that would allow them to survive.

  If you look simply at the number of species, you know the myth of the flood is false. The arc wasn't even very big, although well beyond the capability of its purported builders.

  I have argued this with several JWs, and they claim that the species "diversified" after the flood, which for one thing calls on evolution. That could easily be disproved looking at DNA/RNA.

  I can show you 15,000 year old deposits from a small stream, yet a global flood didn't leave any evidence? It still shocks me that anyone can believe this.
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  Which group would you say J-dubs hate more?

  by awaken2004 in

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  catholics or born again christians?.

  i know someone who doesn't believe the j-dub doctrines but anytime he talks to a non-witness about religion he takes on this arrogant attitude that.

  the witnesses know more about the bible than any other religion.

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  viva

  I would say that the Catholics had been more hated, they are a large single organization with a figurehead, so it is easy to pick on them.

  I would say this is changing though. A lot of theists who leave the JWs go to churches I guess you would count as born-agains. They want to go to heaven and that allows them to have this belief. I know some exJWs go Catholic, but I would guess more turn to other christian faiths.
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  Using the bible, can you show proof of the date 1914?

  by Quirky1 in

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  well?

  i need proof....

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  viva

  If you allow the random misapplication of scriptures and starting at an erroneous date, I can.
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  Niece is getting baptized this summer..Advice

  by outofservice in

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  my husbands niece called him last night to proudly announce she was getting baptized this summer.this actually was a bit of a surprise to us.since she is 27 and was raised in the truth.

  the family is not go getter witnesses.

  they seem to just do the basics to get by and we figured since she had not gotten baptized in her teens like most of us born in's she just was not that in to it.

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  viva

  Like elsewhere said, make sure she knows what shunning means and that she will be putting herself at risk of that. Tell her that if in the future she makes a mistake, or she realizes she doesn't agree with something the JWs teach, that she could be shunned by her own parents.
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  Can I be JW in good standing and worldly person at the same time?

  by asilentone in

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  viva

  I got away with a double life for years, never got caught, turned myself in because I couldn't take it anymore. No guilt, just couldn't stand being a JW anymore.
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  What is the most damning scripture in the Bible?

  by viva in

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  2. bible

  for many years, i had serious issues with alot of scriptures.

  the creation account, the flood, jonah in the whale, etc.

  scriptures that are scientifically falsifiable.

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  I guess 1 John 4:1 is pretty good to - I tested the inspired expressions and they failed.
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  A good JW studies all material

  by megaflower in

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  i guess i was a lousy jw because i was never very good at preparing for all the meetings.

  the "special needs" talk would point out how a good dub will buy out the opportune time.

  start the day with the daily text, next listen to the wt on tape as you drive to work.

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  At one time I was a good JW and did all the studying. For some time I read every WT and Awake cover to cover. Towards the end of that time it was more a critical review, even made notes of descrepencies and looked up any source that they actually cited, most were out of context or not respected. It was taking too much time and cutting into my double life so I stopped. I would say that in the time I kept up with it I got all you can out of the pubs, they are just repetitions of the same thing for indoctrination. I gave up on preparing for talks too, at best I would look over the material about an hour before the meeting, that would do for anything for the theocratic ministry school or service meeting. When I had a public talk I would work on it the day before, then our meetings go changed to the afternoon so I prepared in the morning. It is amazing how simplistic the talks are.
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  What is the most damning scripture in the Bible?

  by viva in

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  2. bible

  for many years, i had serious issues with alot of scriptures.

  the creation account, the flood, jonah in the whale, etc.

  scriptures that are scientifically falsifiable.

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  viva

  For many years, I had serious issues with alot of scriptures. The creation account, the flood, Jonah in the whale, etc. Scriptures that are scientifically falsifiable. For a time I thought some of the religions that didn't insist all scripture were literal were onto something, and then oneday it hit me: 2 Timothy 3:16 says all scripture is inspired of god. Some scriptures are clearly wrong. This realization destroyed my faith in the bible and was one of many steps towards me becoming an athiest.

  So what do you think is the most damning scripture in the bible?
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  Placing old magazines in laundry mats..etc

  by donny in

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  i was at a local laundry mat this past sunday and i found an awake from 1995 and a watchtower from 1989. i was amazed at how old these magazines were.

  back in my day, the magazines i left behind were rarely over a year old, let alone 20. i have noticed this a lot lately and am wondering where all of these old magazines are coming from.

  as i stated on a post a while back, i was in a laundry mat some time ago and i heard a man say "why are you looking forward to 1975?

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  There was a special needs part on this at a hall I attended, they said not to place mags more than a year or two old, that they may contain old understandings. Hell, anything before 95 could have a huge discrepancy in the current understanding of the generation.

  There is some really wacky stuff in the old magazines, even the new ones I guess. Go back far enough and you get qwack medical advice in addition to failed prophecy. They are doing themselves a disservice by placing those, wish I could help with the effort but I threw all my WT stuff out.
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  Do not Disassociate, Anull your baptism

  by jwfacts in

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  2. beliefs

  i am now a jedi, so trust me on this.. .

  why dis-associate, you are just playing by the wts rules?

  how can you dis-associate anyway, you never thought you were baptised as a watchtower society member, you thought your dedication was to god, so why formally disassociate from something you did not formally join?

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  viva

  I do wonder, though, if you could argue your baptism is not valid. I never dedicated myself to god in prayer, which you are supposed to do before the public baptism. So did my baptism mean anything? That may be a valid arguement.