That he is a character in the story that originally got me questioning the bible. What intelligent person can believe there was a global flood that left behind no evidence? Who can believe that all species were preserved in the arc?
Posts by viva
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32WHAT ABOUT NOAH DO YOU LOVE?
by minimus ini love how he guided the animals into the ark.
what about you?
any takers?.
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What was your most boring public talk title?
by truthseeker ini don't know the talk # but the most boring talk title ever had to be "who are qualified as ministers of god?".
next came "parents - are you building with fire-resistant materials".
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viva
Not the most boring, but the worst was the talk on the bible agreeing with science (don't remember the exact title). Giving that talk made me physically ill.
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Ever got counseled for your haircut?
by Albert Einstein ini allway wore very short "military" style haircut.
allways was viewed as a bad association by dubs, once one dub told me directly: well i think your hair is rather to short brother!
i told him i dont think so and left.
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viva
I got counseled for too short a haircut, my hair being to long, my sideburns being too long, my shave not being close enought, etc.
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Favorite Quotes
by Abandoned ini love inspirational quotes.
i read through them from time to time and i always feel better after sharing the thoughts of yesterday and today's greatest minds.
"if one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with success unexpected in common hours.
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" What we get from this adventure is just sheer joy. And joy is, after all, the end of life. We do not live to eat and make money. We eat and make money to be able to enjoy life. That is what life means and what life is for. " - George Leigh Mallory, 1922
“Happiness is nothing more than good health and a bad memory.”
-Albert Schweitzer
"Where all think alike there is little threat of innovation." - Edward Abbey
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Did Russell waste his millions starting the Watchtower?
by Witness 007 inrussell was to inherit a clothing store franchise....he could have been as big as k-mart today!
instead he created an organisation known around the world as "the watchtower society" which has enslaved 7 million people with it's rules and lies.
this organisation owns half of new york and millions of dollars worth of properties, so was it a good or bad investment?
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viva
I don't know of any other investment that would be as profitable as starting a religion. The only problem is that it is hard to cash it out.
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"Gift" Of Singleness?
by WTWizard inthis has to be the biggest piece of s*** i have heard of within the religion.
the last i know, they called marriage a "gift" from god, itself stupid.
if you are not married, you are single--and they are calling that a "gift" too?
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viva
Hey, the "gift" of singleness makes you more free to be a slave for the WTBTS.
That always pissed me off to. And how they encourage people not to have children in the "last days". It's too bad more JWs don't listen to them, seeing as how most new members are born in.
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Does staying in touch with family depend upon you?
by compound complex inif you didn't initiate contact with children or other relatives, would there be no communication whatsoever?
i realize that estrangement over jw-related issues is a huge factor.. i have friends whose grown children call daily.. does other's failure to stay in touch indicate indifference or simply sheer busyness, in your humble opinion?.
coco .
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viva
Since I have been out, my mother has called me once, but I do call her every couple of weeks. She is the only contact I have with my JW family. So for me, yes, contact with my family depends on me.
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Stupid Memorial
by PanzerZauberei inwell, i am gonna have to go again because my wife wants to go this year.
she missed last year because she was sick and was so depressed about it for a month after because of the guilt her stupid family laid upon my poor darling.
last night she was visiting her dad (the only one who didn't guilt her) and he asked if she was going to go this year.
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viva
For the first time in my 26 years I am not going. Sorry you are in a position where you have to go.
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Is JW Disfellowshipping Scriptural?
by minimus inthe bible says to "remove the wicked man".
the scriptures teach that certain things are "works of the flesh".
some verses speak of "marking" or "taking special notice of" if a congregant is "disorderly".. where does the bible teach that a "sinner" should meet with 3 elders and they should hold a "judicial meeting to determine whether someone is repentant oe not"?
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viva
Another point to consider, I don't recall the exact scriptures right off and don't care to look, but the biblical example they use for disfellowshipping is where the guy gets kicked out in 1 Cor. He is let back in in 2 Cor. They were written 6 months apart. The guy was kicked out for gross sins and "reinstated" in 6 months. Most DFed are out at least a year before they get reinstated.
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Did NOAH take WHALES into the ARK?
by african GB Member inblue whale is the largest animal on earth,.... it would take huge cranes and a lot of manpower to carry one of those animals,.... how did noah achieve this?.
did he have cranes and chains?.
did he have a large enough aquarium on board, with salt water?.
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viva
Creationist arguements that Noah took only two of each "kind" on animals doesn't do anything for them. This would require evolution. Now some creationists accept evolution as gods way of creating species. Looking at DNA, you can show how far back each group of a "kind" had a similar ancestor, and for all but a very few species, this would have been long before the flood.
And the dimensions of the arc are quite clear. If you gave four able bodied men the tools and resources available in Noah's day, there is no way they could build a structure that could hold 1 percent of the species on earth, even if they only took the smallest ones.
It is interesting too that by biblical dating the flood occured c. 2300 BC, which would fall during the early bronze age. The average lifespan was much shorter than it is today. And somehow Noah lived to be over 600???? Oh well, surely the bible isn't wrong....
Also at that time people had migrated to North America and they didn't seem to be affected by the flood. There are myths in many (not all) cultures about the flood and they are quite easy to explain. At the end of the last ice age, ocean levels rose dramatically. Some civilizations existed in rich delta areas, similar to the Mississippi and Nile River deltas. When the ocean rose, these areas were flooded. Imagine if the oceans rose only 30 foot today. A lot of land would be flooded, but people would survive to tell about it. The location and timing of the "common" flood stories in no way matches the flood described in the bible.
It reminds me of the bumper sticker "Don't understand science? Try Religion." The account of the flood does not hold water, no matter how you interpret it.